Also, while the chart is being updated, the Rochester channels are wrong for their post-transition allotments...

WROC is on UHF 45 (CBS)
WHEC is on VHF 10 (NBC, Weather+)
WHAM is on VHF 13 (ABC, CW)
WXXI is on UHF 16 (PBS, PBS World, Thinkbright)
WUHF is on UHF 28 (Fox)
WBGT is on UHF 40 in analog as it is a -CA station (MyTV) with no switch to digital in site... (maybe add a note like you have done for WNGS and CKVR)

WBGT hasn't even applied to the FCC to go Digital. They will likely hold out until they are forced to go digital several years away.

Ok, thanks. Didn't notice.

WHEC and WHAM moving back to 10 and 13 respectively was a bad move. They are much harder to recieve now. But, WROC,WXXI and WUHF are still an easy pickup.

Didn't someone say HiVHF has better range? Well, I'm guessing I'm going to lose CFTO-DT altogether when they move and lower power output but Glowball going to 41 and 100Kw, I should be OK when the time comes. For now the analogue stations I still watch actually improved after the US switchover. Global on 41 looks as clear as it did when I lived in my old place,the colours are just not as bold as digital, same for Omni 1 on 47 and Sun on 52, even Shitty-TV on 57 while still looking like you're watching through a sandstorm the colours and some detail improved, meanwhile still no luck on Hamilton-DT. Most likely the buildings to my left[west] as reported earlier.


ION is hit or miss for me too but better at night, like the situation with CFTO-DT, WYNO now hovers around the 50% mark in MyHD's application indicator and even winked out once for a few seconds during "Funniest Moments". WNYO can no longer be picked up on the indoor antennas,only the outdoor. Though the signal for WUTV has improved to the 75-82% mark and I no longer have to do the indoor antenna trick for it because it seems more stable. Unlike WNED, which I still attribute to either being too close or to multipath.

I just installed a CM4221 for a friend , 18 ft off the ground on the back siding, 30 ft RG-6 with 1 splice (wife insisted had to use a piece of white cable outside, not my wife otherwise I would be divorced by now, lol), and had to point it slightly west of Buffalo from Oakville (dundas st/bronte rd with a row of 3 story townhouses 30 ft away right across) closer to the true south direction because I could not get all Buffalo stations. I could not beleive that I had to point even farther away from buffalo , towards hamilton, to get the all the buffalo channels but FOX. With no rotor we had to compromise the digital CN tower stations and end up splitting the cable to use the analog tuner on the old tv to watch the canadian stations on the analog format and the digital versions from Buffalo. Still Fox eventhough shows quality it jumps constantly probably due to heavy multipath and does not lock at all no matter which direction. Other major US networks are fine. The funny thing I tried several directions between buffalo and CN tower and sometimes could get some sometimes others but was always missing a couple of US channel plus FOX. No amplifier being used either and the tuner is a Coolsat 8100 HD FTA Satellite Receiver for now. Could someone recommend me a good converter box, I mean that has EPG, Analog Passthrough (to remove the splitter although the converter box will split it inside probably) and a 5th generation ATSC tuner?. Or maybe a stand alone tuner but it can not be expensive , budget here around 50 cad, that is why I am thinking converter box.

BTW PQ on the 27 inch CRT TV for the Universal Sports on NBC's subchannel 2.2 is not bad at all on that small TV. You could hardly notice the macroblocking in my opinion associated to the source that I can easily see and bothers me on my 40 inch LCD Samsung at home.

Other than that my friend and his family are quite happy with the quality and channels variety. Too bad they did not have a big HDTV with full surround sound otherwise they would have been blown away as we know by the great ( and better than cable or Satellite) PQ.

Still it annoys me that I could not manage to get Fox , will give it another try next weekend despite the bad location of the house (row of townhomes too close in the back).

Funny but I lost WNYO a few months back and just figured it was due to distance. (I'm in north west Mississauga). I just did a rescan to try and pick up ION (no luck) and now my Sony KDF-E50A10 has picked up WNYO on 49.3 (HD) and 49.4 (SD). Is anyone else getting them at these channel numbers?

I think WNYO's problem is probably more due to location than channel assignment... I'm not really sure how they feel that location is giving them better coverage when the reports here indicate it's not.

Only other thing I've noticed lately is that WGRZ has been coming in great for me - usually the south Buffalo stations are useless for me in summer, but WGRZ seems to be breaking that trend. However WIVB has all but disappeared...

Fox is difficult in oakville...I am about 5 minutes from you and it is always hit and miss, with a amplified 8 bay antenna. I would spend the money and get the Samsung 5th gen tuner...you can find them on ebay

Regarding reception of WNYO. Since they moved back to 49, I'm receiving them 100% better than before. I always got picture perfect reception from them on analog. 34 was always problematic for me. In fact, I put 30db of attenuation on the feed and I was still receiving both WNYO and WNLO.They are inline with WNLO for signal strength. I find it odd that some of you not far from my location in the Markham/Stouffville area have degraded reception now. I also get ION 99.9% of the time at full strength. The only Buffalo station I have issues with is WNYB which is usually at 1 bar but often disappears for periods of time.

I did a full re-scan instead of just searching for new/additional digital channels and WNYO now shows up as 49.1 and 49.2. I also picked up ION and all of the sub channels so all is good now. WNYO is definitely stronger for me than previously.

I totally agree with WGRZ being much stronger than in previous summers and WIVB has been hit and miss during the day but I'm also finding WKBW as more of a miss than WIVB. Of course, this could just be my antenna placement.

Sun tv is broadcasting from London on ch19
HD on 19-1
SD on 19-2

Transmitter location (in dec) 42.955556, -81.355278 (deg/m/s) 42.57.20, 81.21.19

ERP 7Kw


Doesn't really apply to TO/Buffalo, but for the guys west and south that
fall into TO/Buf area and can't get the stoney creek transmitter try this one.

Greetings to all!

I just bought a new condo in downtown Toronto at John & Wellington. I'm on the third floor and my balcony view is the CN Tower. I'm less than a kilometre away from it.
I've also been spoiled by Rogers HDTV and can't seem to part ways with it but also moving into the new condo means I can't afford Rogers anymore.
Just found this forum last night.
My question:
What HDTV channels do I get OTA? Because I'm so close to the CN tower, does this mean I won't get the Buffalo HDTV channels, like Fox but will probably get excellent reception for CityTVHD, CBCHD.
Also right at the corner of is this power substation from the city, will this interfere with any signals?
Thanks a lot from a newbie!

Sky_Jet

The CN Tower should not be an overload problem, in fact being that close you may be in the "cone of silence" underneath the main rf energy of the local stations, but I think Omn1 & 2 are located on the Bank of Commerce, not sure.

In regard to the Buffalo stations, if you have clear site to just east of the CN Tower to Lake Ontario, you may get the channels BUT your ground elevation is close to 300 ft AMSL and the stations will be beyond the horizon for you.

If your HD TV has an ATSC tuner, try rabbit ears and see what you get and go from there.

Good luck


I'm in Richmond Hill due north, Chn 2 and 7 from Colden solid, never chn 4 yet, Toronto solid but all others hit or miss depending on weather, attic yagi antenna 30 ft. above ground.

I did a channel scan 09-07-09 Thursday evening and and got 21 HD and 18 SD digital signals including all Rochester, Buffalo,Jamestown,Hamilton and NBC Utica(!). Utica WKTV 2-1 and 2-2 came along with Buffalo WGRZ 2-1, 2-2 and 2-3. The weather was cool and clear. This is the best reception ever.