also the only1 database seems to be for the pronto editor pro only . .
"The codes are presented in a My Database file (.db) that you can import in your Pronto editor (PEP version 1.0, 1.1 or 2.0)."

i havent tried it for 9200 but ive heard issues of corruption ?

I tried the 9200's RF and in my area it did not work reliably. Ultimately I gave up and reverted to IR.

For simple systems and inexperienced users who can't justify the cost or have never seen a well programmed higher end unit, the 9200 might be the ticket.

Since I have been working with Pronto's for many years, the 9200's wizard programming style and rather limited screen layout capability are complete a turnoff for me.

As a $100 DIY device, it has some merit.

Buzz.

Actually as I state above I have seen a well programmed higher end unit and find the TSU 9200 preferable IF you like hard buttons over touch screen. I was programmer / software manger in high tech with a decade of Pronto programming. What we are talking about is customization. Some people just like to buy a car, individualize it some when they buy then use it and take it for granted. Others want to customize it continually and make it a hobby. Nothing wrong with either approach. If Customizing it is important fine - I did an entire Batman and Austin Power theme. Thats not my interest any more.

I don't find the Wizard approach to programming restrictive at all. Conceptualizing the goals and user layout are where the challenges are not in the detailed implementation (for me).

On the RF problem: I've seen that. very OCCASIONALLY the 802 protocol will indicate a "command failure". It is usually when you move the unit dramatically and it loses its RF lock. It recovers quickly and works the second time. I did have more problems before the firmware upgrade. Of course the RF signal strength indicator can help with distance problems.

Motech:

Thats a good problem will ponder. Also you reminded me - I miss the emulator also but only found few times where it was bother some. As to below dealer cost. Remember many companies are going bankrupt in the current credit crunch and they just want something for the investment. I purchased my Carver surround speakers at Costco for $700 (list $2100) when Seattle based Carver (incarnation 3??) went bankrupt and Costco bought the inventory.

Motech

Try the Only One download as previously suggested. Maybe there are two versions on the Web site , but what I downloaded worked for the TSU 9200 Configurator. All my devices come from that downloaded database. Could be wrong but I think the two databases (Pro, Config) are the same - not the software of course.

Be sure you upgrade the firmware before anything else. I don't see anything that is conceptually complex, could be wrong but the activities seem to use the basic concepts. I don't use zones but I do use the same remote for a TV in a separate room. I set the TV functions to IR and all others to RF. That allows me to create a Room TV and HT TV activity where volume etc is controlled at the TV instead of the AVR receiver for Room TV only.

I missed the emulator also. I used a Laptop in front of the HT system. But downloads were quick and using the actual unit instead of emulation wasn't horrible. I wonder if Harmony and URC have emulators?

Does your TSU 9200 work the way you intended? Any current problems aside from the Samsung?

i havent tried it yet,
just bought two of them off amazon actually,
gonna get the RF bases from my distributor.

saving about $100 going through amazon . . so weird!

im going to be installing them late tuesday or wednesday . .


also,
nevo remotes software has an emulator and its great ot use when you
are pre programming a system in advance before you have the remote and before you get on site that way you can have everything pretty much ready to go when you get on site and actually download to remote and test everything . .

then from there its just tweaking etc. .

no big deal.

ill try out the 1remote codes .. seems cool.



i think this remote is a great entry level remote for smaller system and low end systems.

higher end systems obviously get higher end remotes . .

i find where theres multiple zones involved and long channel lists, it can become a big long winded.

for what you mentioned your doing yah i cant see why the 9200 would have troubles.


i agree that for the price the 9200 is fantastic, far better than any of the harmonys etc.

when it came out i thought it would have been more popular for us having more hard buttons on it i thought would have made it quite attractive to some customers, but the 9400/9600 still sell in FAR larger quantities.

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Not a surprise. I suspect the Pronto Touchscreen (installer?) market looks at the TSU 9200 as an ideological threat. And the 9400/9600 have a lot of sales and support momentum. I suspect the 9200 was originally supposed to be a URC / Harmony buster but classic business models say you have to spend a lot of money to overcome market leaders (e.g. Amazon Harmony 880 reviews are in excess of 1,500, TSU 9200 has just two - I may add one.). Philips seems confused as to how to market this orphaned unit in the US. If you see the 9200 at Costco I bet it will start moving then. So far Philips seems to have stuck with the 9400/9600 channels - probably a mistake depending on their strategy. In my experience, European companies are very conservative in their distribution strategies.

By channel lists I assume you mean Favorites as cable/tv channels. And that using the spin ring is a bit cumbersome. If so I think that is a user interface preference. BTW I got 16 Channels on my 3000 per page, the 9200 gets 6.

If you are talking about creating a long Favorites list consistently, I just created a "MyLogo" directory in the gallery and moved the "_B" files to it. I then select the directory and drag the logos to the Fav list. Sorting them can be time consuming sometimes I agree.

Of course if you install or use in the same area you can start with a completed template and make minor modifications.

im getting my first 2 to play with tmrw each with rf base for two seperate customers.

im excited . .
will give more feedback when i get back.

i know its a low end remote,
but i get excited when programing any new toys!

(already done most the programming for these,
gonna do tweaking on site)

Amazon have dropped the price again to $95.83.
I wish I could buy 10 of them,but I live in Australia and I don`t think they will send them to me.
CRY!

[Link: amazon.com]

I cant say that i see the 9200 as a threat to the 9400/9600 business, its great to have a smaller unit available as an option, and i have used it in jobs where theres multiple 9400/9600 and a smaller unit is needed for say a kitchen.

i think you are right that keeping it to the same distribution channels as 9400/9600 does limit its market penetration, however i can understand them wanting it to still be programmed by people that know whats going on. if it were to be sold through costco's etc, when people program it themselves and it doesnt work very well theyll blame the remote rather than the program on it, giving the brand a bad name.
i believe they are sold into Harvey Norman here (Australian Box Mover similar to costcos etc) but im not sure how succesful its being.

Yes i mean tv/cable channel lists, i have all the icons set up in the editor ok, and have set up the lists and just start new jobs using an existing one with the channel lists. i have set them up both as a favourites list listing the main channels, and also by using the more button, which then lists categories with links from there into the appropraite part of the favs list. both methods seem to work well but have downsides, just a case of working out whats more relevant to the particular client.

how do i choose what shows up on the more page?

once you get to step 3 in the editor "define the activities",
highlight the activity you want to add "more" to,
then hit "edit activity",
then hit "edit activity buttons",

this will then open a window with an image of the hard buttons etc on it and a window called Screen functions, just hit add function, you can then add a label for something and then you can give it a function wether its a IR code or a jump to somewhere, favouties list for example.
you can have the macro for your activites jump to this screen, or just hit the "more" hard button.

o thats lame . .


i thought there was a MORE page , like a second page . .
that sounds like the REGULAR page .. heh

i was hoping when activating an activity,
it would take me to a standard page of buttons,
then i could press more for more advanced buttons that they wouldnt need all the time.

maybe . . .
can i use custom graphics in favorites sections?

if so i can make a custom graphic that says zone 2 on,
zone 2 off, zone 2 cable source, zone 2 ipod source, etc . .
and trick the fav's in to being zone 2?

prob more of a pain in the ass then anyhting.

well it does, but you just use the screen to label these functions, then they just use the scroll wheel to highlight the right one, then press to tick to send the IR.

you can definatley use custom graphics in the favourite section. but what your talking about there with Zone 2 etc, you can use, and i would use the More section for that.

i guess what i meant to say is,
i know what the more section is,
i just didnt realize that was the "more" section.

would be great if we had a home page in each activity (by default)
and the more button would bring us to a 2nd page for that activity.


o well . .
still pretty cool for a $250 remote (including rf)
those are amazon prices ofcourse.

the only real way to make money is on the programming here . .
but its great for smaller systems . .