Yep, saw it today - as djsmallz says: it's too small for the £ ...


.....plus it looks at least 2 years out of date already.....

Hi zedmtrappe

If you could put custom covers on the TSW9500, ed. Glass or marbel or stainlesssteel

Would this be better?

and if so what would you like to see?


Price there all going to be around the same as the TSU9400 in each country..

IMO - not really!

My position on this is: is there even a need for this product?

I ask this because I have a NuVo & a Sonos system on demo - and without exception my clients have no interest in the NuVo system because they do not want keypads in the wall more than that - and they certainly much prefer the idea of browsing & selecting tracks from a portable device (and let's face it the NuVo remote is utter sh*te !)

So what are people going to use this in-wall pronto for?

Browsing music? - maybe but as mentioned not as desirable as a portable solution.

Changing TV channels? - come off it! we'd advanced from getting up out our seats to change channels by the late 70's !!

Checking the weather? - maybe once . (and occasionalywhen you want to show it off to your friends.)

Controlling lighting? - BINGO! but, er.... it's a it of an over-elaborate solution to switching lights on and off isn't it...? :-)

Don't get me wrong, I think a Pronto in a Polar Bear wall dock is good - best of both worlds (or it would be if the pronto was more advanced for the ££)... but this..... I'm not convinced.


Just look at what Philips are facing now - they release this wall dock just after Apple release the Ipad - and for roughly the same cost - yet the Ipad is infinitely more desirable & certainly more capable - and like it or not, the Ipad et al will be the defacto method of control for home entertainment etc in the very near future - and this (philips in-wall) will be a very hard sell in the face of it.

Like I said, if they'd released this 3 years ago it would have a place in the market.

All of this of course JMHO - YMMV etc etc :-)

A few people don't like handheld controllers because they are afraid that the controller will become lost in the cracks. Everyone else wants the controller in their hand.

From the looks of the thing, I would need separate programs in a mixed system. For the customer, interaction between the two types of controllers will be different. The TSW9500 will not be much of a hit for my customers.

I think that the TSW9500 is an attempt to win more traditional installers, perhaps the alarm guys, who are fixated on the four or five button inwall keypad. Judging by the number of four to six zone everything packaged in one box systems out there, this must be the bulk of the market. Or, Philips thinks that there is a replacement market. In any casse, it's not my niche.

I see the 2 areas in the house that require in wall

Bathrooms and Kitchin, may be the gym as well, may be outside entertainment area, Yatchs, O, thats more than 2 :)

I don't agree with this reasonning, why does crestron, c4, rti have inwalls ..why not pronto? Bet you'll say why shouldn't they have a processor too?

Have to agree with this, I though they would have come up with a MUCH better...think they shoudl probably partner with that belgian company (sorry forgot the name) that does slick and stylish keypads to improve the design or maybe to come up with nice faceplates, which is what systemline did I believe .. :(

Have to agree with this, I though they would have come up with a MUCH better...think they shoudl probably partner with that belgian company (sorry forgot the name) that does slick and stylish keypads to improve the design or maybe to come up with nice faceplates, which is what systemline did I believe .. :(

Good point.

I have to say that my position on this is biased by the fact that in my market I (unfortunately) have no premiership footballers or russian oligarch's etc and as such have never worked on a yacht or provided anything more advanced than music and Aquavision TV's in those types of areas!




OK, well let's suppose there is a market for an in-wall controller - and you could well be right.

My argument is: TSW9500 isn't it!

Take this as an example (an in-wall IPAD dock)

Using this you could have checked your emails, fired up your multiroom audio, and bought tickets for tonights concert.... all in the same amount of time it would have taken the Pronto device to have booted up that dreadful Sonos module!

I should mention that I have a keen interest in the success of Pronto - from a business point of view it is a nice product - reasonable margin plus decent programming fees and tends to bring in extra work too, so it's all good...... except it's getting towards the point where for the price it's just NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

It is, after all; 3+ year old technology - which is too long really - newer devices are making it look dated.

That is why it's so disappointing that this latest product offers no improvement. 

I think it is a great solution and I already have some ideas for use. I have been unable to use the 9600 in corporate locations because I wanted it mounted in a podium or on the wall (had to resort to an RTI pieces). Our corporate customers are moving away from battery powered units because someone always forgets to put it back on the charger. It's the perfect size for a conference room or break room where we often use small touch screens (if I want a larger touchscreen I will use a Zenarc with an eeeBox mounted behind it for a lot less money). Javascript makes it really easy to talk to our IP based controllers (Aurora WACI nuggets).

can i ask a question if you owned a fully automated home do you want to have to go and find where the the kids put down the home cinema remote to turn the lights on when you walk through the front door after a night on the tiles? i know i wouldnt.. . .there is a market for the inwalls otherwise they wouldnt sell and manufacturers wouldnt make them.

everyone is allowed their own opinion its true and while an inwall ipad sounds great on paper its not proven as a reliable enough automation solution yet it is after all just a tablet pc.

i too agree the inwall is a little dated in terms of styling and hold my own views on the way this can be improved but the hardware is not dated and easily has atleast another 2 years of development left in it before the need to start a new range arises.

the important thing is to realistically highlight feasable ways in which the product can be improved by philips before release to better find a niche within the market and compete with the other vendors.

IMHO

:-)

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anderson, I agree with you.

Maybe some people just see the pronto's too much as just multimedia operators or simple window blinds opener.

With an In wall that has always power and always network you can actually use it as a full smart house controller. You can make the in system in the way that other, wireless pronto's communicate with the inwall device, which then controls the system. Finally you can have a pronto that manages your heating, blinds, etc whithout the fear that someone will not put it into the dock, which will result in failing to operate the home. Until we see the CRX this fella can become the master mind of a smart home.

Full Ack!
Pronto is more than just a media remote.
The big advantage is to have only one configuration in all remotes (media and homeautomation).
I can only compare the KNX based homeautomation solutions:
EVERY EIB/KNX inwall solution is a lot more expensive than this TSW together with a KNX/IP gateway! In addition the functionalities of KNX inwalls are rather limited to control media systems.

This is a good and valid point! Many KNX inwalls try to bite off too much functionality making the average Joe customer afraid to create havoc and it is reduced to a conversation piece and show off to guests rather than a workable tool.
The secret of success is reduction of functions to a workable minimum.