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|OP | Post 31 made on Wednesday December 29, 2010 at 14:25|
Here is what I came up with:
RCA TV-DVD-VCR combo model 20F500TDV, 24F500TDV, 27F500TDV
Original remote part no. RCA 262906
REFER TO THE NUMEROUS PHOTOS AVAILABLE ON THE WEB OR THE MANUAL FOR THE REMOTE BUTTONS/LAYOUT
Universal remote RS 15-134
Device setup codes used:
Functions working out of the box, after setup codes:
TV device selected
arrow keys, select perform as expected on TV and DVD
input= zoom/input select
last= jump/quick view
number keys work on tv and dvd
play, ff, rw, stop, rec perform as expected for vcr AND dvd
VCR device selected
play, ff, rw, stop, rec, and pause perform as expected for vcr and dvd
cancel= counter reset
enter(next to 0 digit)= 30 sec adv
DVD device selected
info= jump/quick view
guide= dvd menu/ tracking+ (vcr)
cancel= vcr speed
ch up/dn = next chapter/prev chapter, or vcr index search fwd/back
play, ff, rw, stop, rec, and pause perform as expected for vcr and dvd
circle arrow buttons perform the same as the channel up/dn noted above
arrow buttons and digit buttons don't work under DVD
MISSING FUNCTION BUTTONS- EFCs discovered to work the functions
original button label .... device/EFC
tv/vcr .... vcr/234
dvd .... dvd/227
cancel .... tv/002
timer rec. .... vcr/130
tv monitor .... tv/234
slow ..... vcr/146
sleep .... tv/250
closed caption .... tv/014
audio select ....... tv/224
30 sec adv .... vcr/152
main menu/atr .... vcr/088
subtitle/zero ret .... dvd/014
angle/counter reset . ... vcr/002 or "cancel" button above
menu/tracking + .... vcr/090
repeat a-b/ program .... dvd/110 or vcr/153
play mode/tracking - .... vcr/098
eject .... vcr/016
open/close .... dvd/016
|OP | Post 32 made on Wednesday December 29, 2010 at 15:00|
I have some other questions about my setup.
1. I have moved all of the functions from their device specific modes and placed them all under the TV device button. So now I have, in theory, the other 4 device buttons "free". If I wanted to program all those other device buttons for other things, and then I needed to do a future key change with a function from one of the 3 devices in my combo, would I have to keep one device key open as a "dummy" so I could enter a setup code for the EFC? Or how would I do it without a "dummy" device key?
2. I have programmed the SAT device key with my RCA digital to analog TV converter box. Now, when I select the main Power button on my RS remote, the TV turns on or off, but the digital box ALWAYS turns on or stays on. It must use the same code (099). I don't want the box to be affected at all unless I target it. Is there any way to fix this? If I use the 227 and 219 for discreet on/off for the TV, they work and the box is unaffected, but I don't want to have separate buttons for on and off.
3. While trying to move all the buttons over to the TV device, when I attempted to copy via 994 command the "counter-clockwise arrow" button from the DVD section to the TV section, the 15-134 would not accept the "copy" command. It accepted the "clockwise" button just fine. I tried at least 4 times, with the same results. Finally, I used the channel down button as the source for the copy as it had the same functionality and it worked normally. Why would this copy operation fail? How can I fix this? Since you have a 15-135, you could probably replicate what I tried. Any suggestions?
|Post 33 made on Thursday December 30, 2010 at 01:59|
I saved this as an old RCA remote so that the Combo executor would have the EFCs that you're using. See if I understood your notes correctly. BTW, the VCR and DVD setup codes don't actually have Vol+/- or mute. But your remote is setup at the factory to punch through those keys to the TV device. So it seems like DVD and VCR are programmed with Vol, but they're not.
1) When you assign an EFC, the remote stores the device mode, setup code and EFC. The assignment persists even if you change the setup code for that device mode. So you can temporarily put setup code 20522 on the TV button, assign EFCs, and then revert to 10047. So you don't need a spare device button.
2) Do you mean the digital STB wasn't affected until you programmed the SAT button? What setup code did you use? Have you programmed a macro onto the Power button?
3) Happens to me also, but I have no idea why. You can use the Lookup Tool
to find the EFC associated with a key (usually), and then program it that way.
|OP | Post 34 made on Thursday December 30, 2010 at 09:28|
"1) When you assign an EFC, the remote stores the device mode, setup code and EFC. The assignment persists even if you change the setup code for that device mode. So you can temporarily put setup code 20522 on the TV button, assign EFCs, and then revert to 10047. So you don't need a spare device button."
So, you mean the remote saves the buttons I have programmed manually? What if I want to go back to the full default layout for that setup code? I.E. if I have programmed a bunch of buttons and I have messed up and don't remember what is on them, and I decide to wipe the device and start over, how would I revert back to the original factory setup for a code, say "12345" ? Just for that device key, NOT for the entire remote. How to do that?
2. I honestly don't remember if the STB was responding or not before I programmed the SAT key. I tend to think it would not have mattered. It's an RCA box, and it responds to the RCA power command. I used setup code 00392, which is for an RCA "satellite" receiver, even though this is an over-the-air broadcast receiver. It worked with all features, except the "dash" button, which I had to learn from the original remote. I do NOT have a macro on the power button. I have never programmed a macro on any key for any reason so far (that I know of).
Last edited by mo723 on December 30, 2010 11:27.
|OP | Post 35 made on Thursday December 30, 2010 at 10:00|
"I saved this as an old RCA remote so that the Combo executor would have the EFCs that you're using. See if I understood your notes correctly. BTW, the VCR and DVD setup codes don't actually have Vol+/- or mute. But your remote is setup at the factory to punch through those keys to the TV device. So it seems like DVD and VCR are programmed with Vol, but they're not."
I looked at the file in RMIR, and maybe I'm not reading it correctly, but the EFCs all appear to be not what I recorded. And the EFC5 is completely foreign to me. When I was trying some codes using other RCA files, I entered the exact 3 digit EFC shown in the file. If I were to do that with this upgrade, it would not match what I documented, and I would not be entering the same keystrokes as I actually entered to program my remote. What am I missing here?
Also, it does not appear that the preprogrammed keys in the RS remote are reflected in the RMIR layout. All keys show as unassigned, even though many are already handled by the setup code.
Last edited by mo723 on December 30, 2010 10:09.
|Post 36 made on Thursday December 30, 2010 at 14:31|
I uploaded the wrong file, so you'll need to change the remote type from 15-134 to RCA RCU810. The only 3 digit EFCs will show.
I haven't assigned any buttons at this point and it doesn't matter. We're just interested in the EFCs that you assigned right now.
Regarding removing EFC assignments, that's explained in the 9XX command instructions linked earlier.
According to the Lookup Tool, CBL/SAT 0392 is RCA device 7, and Power is EFC 099. So either the STB also responds to device 15 (at least for power) or the 15-134 is sending two Power IR signals, one for 15 and another for 7. That's why I wanted to know if the STB responded before you set up 0392. You could still check that by assigning CBL to some other setup code temporarily.
If it turns out that the STB does respond to device 15, it may make sense to see if the Combo unit will respond to Power on the VCR or DVD setup codes, assuming that the STB doesn't also respond to those.
|OP | Post 37 made on Thursday December 30, 2010 at 16:10|
Regarding the files, the labels you have as "menu" and "tv menu" should both be named "setup/ TV menu" which is what the label says on the factory remote. It is only one button which performs a function in different sections of the TV depending on which is activated at the time.
An additional EFC for vcr speed is vcr/000. On the remote it is labeled "speed".
Also, where in the RMIR file does it show which setup codes were used for device 5, 14, and 15 ? Isn't that important information for the user?
Can you edit the file to show up correctly under the 15-134 remote and give it a more descriptive name than "combined"?
As for the STB, it responds to 099 in TV, DVD, and VCR modes. The TV does NOT respond to 099 in DVD or VCR modes. The TV turns on or off with 099 in TV mode, and the STB always turns on with 099 in every mode, but does not turn off with 099. So, is there a solution, other than me covering up one side of the remote with my hand when I'm shooting a power signal so the STB cannot see it?
** (curiously enough, my STB factory remote has 2 sections, one for the box and one for a TV set. It has a limited choice of TV setup codes for the power, volume and mute. If I press the TV power button on the RCA remote, it turns on BOTH the TV and STB. If I press the "box" power button on the RCA remote, it only turns on the box (and off if pressed again) )
Last edited by mo723 on December 31, 2010 11:34.
|OP | Post 38 made on Thursday December 30, 2010 at 16:42|
If I want to reset the remote, including all upgrades, but only for ONE device, it doesn't appear to be possible in the 9xx instructions. It only shows
a) device specific, less upgrades
b) all devices, including upgrades, just like new remote
I may be unclear as to what "upgrade" means. I take it to mean if I manually program an EFC into a button, or copy one button to another, that is an "upgrade". If I want to return all buttons to their factory setup, but only on a single device at a time, can it be done?
|Post 39 made on Friday December 31, 2010 at 15:08|
I posted an upgrade file
into the TV Combo section at hifi-remote.com. The file is set up using a RCA Combo executor. RMIR is really intended for use with upgrades uploaded into the remote, and not so much as a repository for manually entered EFCs, so that why I put it in as a combo. The information will be useful to not only owners of UEI remotes, but also remotes which take e.g. Pronto Hex format or LIRC. The primary information being presented is the IR protocol (RCA), and the device number and OBC which caused each response from the combo unit.
As you've noticed, that means the EFCs that you've discovered are different to the one in the file, because you used executors that take a single device and the upgrade is a combo executor. Perhaps you'll want to post here the exact way that you added EFCs to 10047.
An upgrade in JP1-speak is roughly equivalent to adding a new setup code to the remote, and has to be uploaded via a JP1.x cable, or for a few remotes, by an internal modem. One doesn't erase an upgrade; one can reset the remote, removing all or much of the programming including EFC assignments, macros, punchthough, device locks, etc settings. Or one can upload a new set of upgrades, etc into the remote from the computer.
I think that you want to remove all EFCs (called keymoves, in JP1) for one of the device modes. Of course you can follow the instructions to clear each button individually, but I believe that this works to clear all EFCs in a device.1. Tap the device button (probably unnecessary step, but it doesn't take long...)
2. Press Setup until 2 blinks
3. Enter 994
4. Tap the device button twice. Two blinks.
Last edited by 3FG on December 31, 2010 17:59.
|OP | Post 40 made on Friday December 31, 2010 at 15:35|
Your understanding was correct about my potential desire to erase all key assignments in one sweep for one device. If this can be accomplished with the steps you outlined, then I'm satisfied. I don't want to have to erase each key individually, and I want the ability to refresh the original key assignments when a new setup code is entered after erasing the old keys.
Do you have any suggestions about the power on problem with the STB other than manually covering the transmitter?
The exact way I added key assignments to 10047 (assume you had a typo) was simply to test it with the direct EFC entry (tap P then enter the 5 digits), and if the test worked, then I used 994 commands to assign the EFC to the desired key. Also, if a key was already assigned in another device, I did a key copy to the new device. Once or twice I used the learning feature from the STB remote. This all seems like standard procedure to me. I don't know how to do these things any advanced way. I simply used the off-the-shelf setup codes that applied to my devices, and then supplemented the buttons with new EFCs that I discovered or was given.
|Post 41 made on Friday December 31, 2010 at 18:04|
I edited the typo.
I verified that steps 2, 3, and 4 in the above procedure are sufficient to clear an entire set of keymoves for one device.
I don't have any suggestions to fix the STB problem.
|OP | Post 42 made on Monday January 3, 2011 at 19:21 |
I wanted to express my appreciation for all your help in this exercise. I came in knowing almost nothing about remote controls, except the fact that I was without a fully functional one, and could not order a replacement. In a couple of weeks, I learned all about protocols, EFCs, OBCs, how to program special keys, and ultimately, how to get a universal remote to send every single key for every function that was included on the original remote.
You even pointed me to the fact that the 15-134 was on special for less than a dollar, which I would never have known without that tip, and I wouldn't have figured this model would serve my purposes without containing a specific setup code for my combo TV model.
Thanks a bunch, 3FG !!!
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