Please show us some data. How many have been killed by the vaccinations? How many vaccinated have been killed by the virus? How many unvaccinated or partially vaccinated have been killed by the virus? We need these deaths grouped by age and comorbidity.

Soon we’ll have more questions as vaccinated and unvaccinated experience reinfection. How does this play out with the different varients?

I’m hearing about cases of COVID hospital patients challenging their diagnosis and treatment. Should we establish D.I.Y. treatment centers to accommodate these people? How will the courts handle any disagreement or poor outcome? Finding an unbiased jury of peers will be difficult.

I hope you aren't expecting a detailed answer from any of the QANON morons on here.

Send them to the vet so the hospitals have room for the reality-based crowd.

Makes you wonder - why do they go to the hospital in the first place? It's like some kind of cafeteria-style science & medicine. The cognitive dissidence is amazing. Oh, and Trump is still the real President!

I wonder how many are still in Dallas waiting for JFK and/or JFK jr.

Right. This was your response to me saying that if more people would mask-up, get vaccinated and social-distance etc. we could end this pandemic. I never said it would disappear ("Soon, it will disappear. It will be like a miracle". "There are only 15 cases. In a week or so it will be zero") Ah, the good old days!

Pay attention - time for a learning moment: We can end the pandemic and turn it into an endemic disease. You know, like the flu. But until people wisen up, and until the wealthy nations can supply enough vaccine for the developing world, the we will be stuck in pandemic mode. And THAT pisses me off because it doesn't have to be this way.

I doubt that the "anti" crowd has learned much. Once we reach the endemic phase the response will become: "See, we were right all along!" and it will be rinse and repeat for the next pandemic. This will be very unfortunate for all because our tools to mount a faster, broader response have improved greatly over the last few years.

The sad thing is this crowd is going to the hospital and freaking out on staff that they cannot get the treatment they want. Why the f#ck would a human hospital carry horse dewormer. How god damn f$cking stupid are people.

[Link: openvaers.com]

More deaths from Covid vaccine than from all other vaccines,combined.

Thank you once again for showing off your stupidity. I really thought that this nugget of nonsense went away, but I guess not.

From the VAERS own web site:

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine.

So, I could contact them and tell them that my dick fell off two days after my first shot and they would be obliged to post that as an adverse effect of the COVID-19 vaccine.

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It is a self reporting system, yes. Understood. Yet VAERS still has credibility in the medical community.  Many professionals contribute to the database.  It is thought that only 10% of actual adverse reactions actually are reported.

Dig a little deeper here.  You are implying that all those reports are fraudulent or completely fabricated?  Over 1 million reports? That of course is impossible.

From the VAERS disclaimer:

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

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VAERS data available to the public include only the initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which contains data from medical records and corrections reported during follow up are used by the government for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including data consistency, these amended data are not available to the public.

My impression is that this is not intended as a database to educate the public, it is simply a repository for raw reports. I didn't have time to read through all 1,016,999 reports. In the few reports that I read through, they ranged from "sore arm" to "broken ankle and compressed spine".

21,382 reports are associated with mortality.

At the bottom of each page on the website is a disclaimer:

Bravo! You are a master of deflection.

You were asked, by buzz, to provide some data to back up your claims.

You never did. All I said, to buzz, is that he shouldn't expect any answers from you.

Thanks for proving my point!

Oh, and in your first paragraph you accuse me of being a "name calling liberal". You follow that by (name) calling me ignorant and a lunatic! So you are literally doing what you accuse me of doing.

I guess you're lacking in that "higher education" and "moral integrity".

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I agree 95% with you. I think we loost our chance roughly 2 years ago


no it is not it is like saying a shark is a mammal flu is caused by the influenza virus and covid19 is caused by a corona virus. The two are very different.



can't talk about Dave but I don't.

The vaccine is not about ending this but about making it more "livable". It is not a magic forcefield that stops Covid, it is a teacher that trains your body to better defend itself. It means that when Covid tries to invade it makes it harder for it to get a foot hold and so you might not catch it if the invading force is not big enough. It means that if it does get a foothold your army is stronger and so there won't be as much Covid t to make you as sick it also means less covid to spew out for it to invade the next person and make them sick.

right now the hospitals here are again filled with covid cases. the numbers from a couple of days ago are ~40% are old and vaccinated (>70) and ~55% are young and unvaccinated (<50) on the other hand >85% of the population is vaccinated. If that later group would not be in the hospital my uncle could have had his hip replacement surgery he was waiting for but it was postponed because the hospital does not have enough staff to take care of him even if the government had to take the drastic step that medical staff that is sick but well enough to work has to do so.


Opinions are meaningless no matter who they come from I want the data.