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How to control roller blinds
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Post 1 made on Friday August 8, 2003 at 10:21
Rolf
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Hi,

How can I control 12V roller blinds with trigger outputs of my sur.proc or scaler.
Do I need a interface?
Post 2 made on Friday August 8, 2003 at 12:27
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I would use FM


























Or finish the discription of what your doing and what Exactly your trying to control it with... What Remote? Blinds are not something you want going up and down Every time you turn on your receiver or video scaler......
Post 3 made on Saturday August 9, 2003 at 02:43
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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let me join you here, Impaqt:

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EXACTLY what answer do you expect to get when you ask a question of someone who has never seen your project and for darn sure does not live in your brain (hopefully there is not room in there for anyone else to live, too) ? ? ?
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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OP | Post 4 made on Saturday August 9, 2003 at 04:31
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Hi,

I planning to buy a Da-lite or Stewart screen with trigger interface so I can control it from my Faroudja scaler.
The blinds are completely black out so I want the blinds going up and down only when I watching movie (turn on my receiver or video scaler), I’m using 2 blinds.
I’m using a Marantz RC 5000 for controlling the system.

I think this will be a safer way to operate the screen and blinds with triggers when I’m using macros to turn the system on/off, and a cheaper why then ordering remote (Da-lite or Stewart) and hopefully the blinds.
Post 5 made on Saturday August 9, 2003 at 09:20
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Rolf, I usually trigger the screen from the Faroudja processor in a system equipped as you describe. Most screens can be ordered with a 12v trigger. Electric shades can be ordered with a variety of triggers as well. Usually they are 12v, IR or contact closure. The Faroudja has a second 12v trigger output. With a RC5000, 12v on the screen and 12v or IR on the shades would keep it simple and add to the reliability of the system operating correctly.
Post 6 made on Saturday August 9, 2003 at 11:43
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You can also get them with dry contact and use a xantech ir relay to control them as well. I use them all the time.
Post 7 made on Saturday August 9, 2003 at 17:58
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Yes, the Xantech CC12 is probly your best bet.

Do you want your blinds going down even if your watching at night?

Post 8 made on Sunday August 10, 2003 at 02:23
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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ditto that on the CC12. You can put in a separate button for lowering the blinds.

Or a CC62, which is a six-relay version of the CC12. I have one of these lowering a screen, closing drapes, and controlling the opening/closing, rotate/straighten out of a slide/rotate fixture. Bought all of the equipment with a need for 12 volts to start or stop, then use the CC12 to decide when the 12 volts goes out.

I find it best NEVER to use a trigger voltage from a component to directly control a device such as a screen or blinds. If some engineer was overly optimistic about the loads his trigger voltage would see, a screen relay could overload and actually blow the circuit, meaning the Faroudja or projector or whatever would need repair. No, if I am relying on the trigger voltage, I always put a low current relay or a transistor switch between it and the controlled device.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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OP | Post 9 made on Sunday August 10, 2003 at 06:55
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Hi,

Anybody now where I can find roller blinds with 12v trigger or somebody who make 12V interface for roller blinds.

I now of the CC12 but it`s going to be another devise, but it’s a good option, anybody now the retail price.

Tanks
Post 10 made on Sunday August 10, 2003 at 09:42
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Rolf, after further thought you would better off with IR control for the shades if you need to watch any video with the shades up. Solar Shading makes shades with 12v, IR and contact closure control.
Post 11 made on Sunday August 10, 2003 at 12:31
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Um... the CC12 IS IR COntrolled...........

Should be able to find one for about $150-200.

Much less than what most Shade manufactuers "Optional IR Control"



Post 12 made on Sunday August 10, 2003 at 22:33
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I'm not aware of what shades come standard with contact closure or 12v triggers. The brands I've installed with need a contol method specified when ordering them. Keep in mind though that if you want to conrol the two shades independantly of each other you will need two cc-12's if you go that route.
Post 13 made on Sunday August 10, 2003 at 22:58
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I've done Draper, Lanco, and Silent Gliss, and they ALL have a Standard 12v or Dry Contact control standard.

I just went through the Solar Shading website...... If you have indeed used theese, you should know that they are indeed a Dry contact control. The only "Options" are IR based which control the Contact closures various ways....

I do a lot of Crestron and AMX control system that have built in relays, so I vary rarely order the Manufactueres IR control systems.

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The CC12 has 2 sets of Relays, so Independant control of the blinds will be no problem. So only one will be needed in this scenario.






Post 14 made on Monday August 11, 2003 at 04:09
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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On 08/10/03 22:58, Impaqt said...
The CC12 has 2 sets of Relays, so Independant
control of the blinds will be no problem. So only
one will be needed in this scenario.

No, not exactly. It has a DPDT relay -- in other words, dual pole, or two switches, dual throw, meaning a connection is made when the relay is energized and another connection is made when the relay is de-energized. It has two sets of contacts, but these switch at the same time. That means that the problem of blinds traveling at different speeds will not be overcome by using one CC12. You will need two, and they can be set to work from different IR codes.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
OP | Post 15 made on Monday August 11, 2003 at 04:23
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Hi,

Tanks for all the response, I’m new too this so I have some more questions

If you use blinds with 12-volt control that interfaces with 12V triggering outputs from scaler or receivers, you can control a the blind with triggers from a receiver or scaler and when the receiver is switch on the blinds go down and when the receiver is switch off the blinds go up. This option uses a cable with 2 wires.
So where do I find a 12V trigger interface to control blind, like the Stewart uses to control screens.

Because what I can find for roller blinds is 12 volts down/zero/ up circuit, and her you need a cable with 3 wires, here I can use the CC-12 but I most use 2 relays instead of 1, and a trigger output from a receiver would not work, Is this right?


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