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Please provide your feedback on the TSU9600 database
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Post 31 made on Saturday February 24, 2007 at 19:05
hansen
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Hi,

Does anybody have a solution to determine what codset different remotes use.
The database in the 9600 is listing a lot of different codesets if you cant find the model listed. I have a Philips HTS5000W home theater that I can't find, but what codeset to use?
I have the original remote, but it takes a lot of time to learn every code, or is this the only way to go?

I think the Pronto team needs to work a bit harder to refine the database compared to the Harmony database wich is a lot more detailed regarding model names.

Thank's
Best regards

hansen
Post 32 made on Wednesday April 11, 2007 at 18:30
soundmagic1943
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On December 20, 2006 at 10:19, avtech said...
I hope you guy's are for real!


First, I must congratulate you for such a great Products.
I alone have followed the Philip's Pronto family before
the TSU-1000 (for those who know about other's remotes).
And I have seen the transitions ever since, every time
better and better! Now that you hit a milestone with
the new hardware, is time for you to follow up your promised
with a robust and flexible software.

With that in mind here is my two cents donation:

1- The database components label is awkward and hard to
relate to the components: "####....extended." Why not
called it by the component name instead?

2- The reassign function does not wok at all; you must
go back and tackle each command individually defeating
the purpose.

3- There is no way to test the commands in the Master
Library; you must first assign the commands to "My Library,"
then you can proceed to test each command. That along
could imply hours of work wasted if you must deal with
different components per install.

In the editor: some time you can not address the individual
buttons in some sources; it happen to me at least two
sources component's (DVD come to mind). It some how pick
up the whole lay out, lest say the transport, instead
of the record button that I trying to delete out of the
page.

The macro page assignment suggested to follow are way
to complex and difficult to follow logic. Especially,
when the "reassign" function does not work. My suggestion
to the programmers out there: delete all the macros and
page assignments and star from scrach. At least you know
the logic to follow in every button.

And please, release the necessary tools to create IP /
RS-232 2-way control for many products out there! It
is a fact: Escient and Lutron alone will not cut it!
I now there are many people who will not be able to work
in this environment, but you must remember your slogan:
"Design for Installer by Installer."
Post 33 made on Wednesday April 11, 2007 at 19:13
soundmagic1943
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On December 20, 2006 at 10:19, avtech said...
I hope you guy's are for real!


First, I must congratulate you for such a great Products.
I alone have followed the Philip's Pronto family before
the TSU-1000 (for those who know about other's remotes).
And I have seen the transitions ever since, every time
better and better! Now that you hit a milestone with
the new hardware, is time for you to follow up your promised
with a robust and flexible software.

With that in mind here is my two cents donation:

1- The database components label is awkward and hard to
relate to the components: "####....extended." Why not
called it by the component name instead?

2- The reassign function does not wok at all; you must
go back and tackle each command individually defeating
the purpose.

3- There is no way to test the commands in the Master
Library; you must first assign the commands to "My Library,"
then you can proceed to test each command. That along
could imply hours of work wasted if you must deal with
different components per install.

In the editor: some time you can not address the individual
buttons in some sources; it happen to me at least two
sources component's (DVD come to mind). It some how pick
up the whole lay out, lest say the transport, instead
of the record button that I trying to delete out of the
page.

The macro page assignment suggested to follow are way
to complex and difficult to follow logic. Especially,
when the "reassign" function does not work. My suggestion
to the programmers out there: delete all the macros and
page assignments and star from scrach. At least you know
the logic to follow in every button.

And please, release the necessary tools to create IP /
RS-232 2-way control for many products out there! It
is a fact: Escient and Lutron alone will not cut it!
I now there are many people who will not be able to work
in this environment, but you must remember your slogan:
"Design for Installer by Installer."

What was done to get Meta Data from the Escient over RS232 back to Pronto Screen?

Flow example:
RS232 ------- to < cd player >

RS232 Content Feedback < hour: min : seconds > from ----- back to TSU9600 for display.

Any one on the Philips Pronto TSU9600 team able to provide any support tools and details on how this can be done?

Thanks
Post 34 made on Thursday April 12, 2007 at 08:02
gbk33
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It takes too long for software updates. If there is always going to be 6 month minimum between PEP updates (which is too long) then you should have a seperate "update" button within the program that updates the database with new equipment codes.
May the pronto be with you
Post 35 made on Thursday April 12, 2007 at 08:06
davidsylvester
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Here's a few things I'd like to see:

1) I'd like to be able to download Factory Database updates on a more regular basis; I'd prefer not to have to wait a year for a major upgrade just to download codes for new devices on the market.

2) UPnP support!

3) the labeling of buttons is not consistent across devices and therefore the 'reassign device' feature often doesn't work: if an IR code was previously called 'master vol up' and it's called 'main volume up' on the new device the swap will require manual intervention. Using a common language across devices for functions would help alleviate this problem.

Nice work so far!
David Sylvester
nGen Media Systems
Post 36 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 10:27
avtech
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On December 20, 2006 at 10:19, avtech said...
I hope you guy's are for real!


First, I must congratulate you for such a great Products.
I alone have followed the Philip's Pronto family before
the TSU-1000 (for those who know about other's remotes).
And I have seen the transitions ever since, every time
better and better! Now that you hit a milestone with
the new hardware, is time for you to follow up your promised
with a robust and flexible software.

With that in mind here is my two cents donation:

1- The database components label is awkward and hard to
relate to the components: "####....extended." Why not
called it by the component name instead?

2- The reassign function does not wok at all; you must
go back and tackle each command individually defeating
the purpose.

3- There is no way to test the commands in the Master
Library; you must first assign the commands to "My Library,"
then you can proceed to test each command. That along
could imply hours of work wasted if you must deal with
different components per install.

In the editor: some time you can not address the individual
buttons in some sources; it happen to me at least two
sources component's (DVD come to mind). It some how pick
up the whole lay out, lest say the transport, instead
of the record button that I trying to delete out of the
page.

The macro page assignment suggested to follow are way
to complex and difficult to follow logic. Especially,
when the "reassign" function does not work. My suggestion
to the programmers out there: delete all the macros and
page assignments and star from scrach. At least you know
the logic to follow in every button.

And please, release the necessary tools to create IP /
RS-232 2-way control for many products out there! It
is a fact: Escient and Lutron alone will not cut it!
I now there are many people who will not be able to work
in this environment, but you must remember your slogan:
"Design for Installer by Installer."

Is been some time since the Pronto Team originally created this thread, almost four months, and we have not seen any reasonable response to the feed back provided in this forum or numerous contacts by e-mail and phone.

So far, I have installed four of this units, and have dealt with all the pain and suffering this units require to having working stable. Few of them forced me to upgrade to a 5 times more expensive "Cisco" Networks levels, just to have reliable communication. All in a questionable investment just to have control the RadioRa and the Escient FP-1.

Some of the client owner's have come ask me when the next level of automations can be accomplished. I feel bad to come back with an empty; "I don't know, because Philips have not release any software upgrade" answer.

What's worse, not one in Philips has an idea about were they going with the remote. There are many good requested features and bugs reported in this thread, this forum and during training / seminars of the TSU-9600. So far, the not response from the Philips Team makes me wander whether is worthy supporting these products any longer. Especially, after dealing with the failure of the iPronto TSI-6400's promises cut short in demise.

To make matters worse, the Pronto Team does not have any schedule training in any of theirs mayor’s distributors: AVAD, ADI. Nor do I see any posting suggesting any training happening soon.

Is the TSU-9600 been abandoned?

Is it time to walk out of the Pronto Professional’s products?
Live Long and Prosper!
Post 37 made on Friday April 13, 2007 at 17:26
gbk33
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On April 13, 2007 at 10:27, avtech said...
Is been some time since the Pronto Team originally created
this thread, almost four months, and we have not seen
any reasonable response to the feed back provided in this
forum or numerous contacts by e-mail and phone.

So far, I have installed four of this units, and have
dealt with all the pain and suffering this units require
to having working stable. Few of them forced me to upgrade
to a 5 times more expensive "Cisco" Networks levels, just
to have reliable communication. All in a questionable
investment just to have control the RadioRa and the Escient
FP-1.

Some of the client owner's have come ask me when the next
level of automations can be accomplished. I feel bad
to come back with an empty; "I don't know, because Philips
have not release any software upgrade" answer.

What's worse, not one in Philips has an idea about were
they going with the remote. There are many good requested
features and bugs reported in this thread, this forum
and during training / seminars of the TSU-9600. So far,
the not response from the Philips Team makes me wander
whether is worthy supporting these products any longer.
Especially, after dealing with the failure of the iPronto
TSI-6400's promises cut short in demise.


To make matters worse, the Pronto Team does not have any
schedule training in any of theirs mayor’s distributors:
AVAD, ADI. Nor do I see any posting suggesting any training
happening soon.

Is the TSU-9600 been abandoned?


Is it time to walk out of the Pronto Professional’s products?

I totally agree. No one has heard a peep out of philips about the TSU9600 in forever. The lack of support through upgrades, answers, help is very dissapointing. At least let us know what is happening with the remote. At this point, it makes more sense to go backwards to a 7000/7500. At least you know where you stand with those remotes.
May the pronto be with you
Post 38 made on Thursday April 19, 2007 at 20:50
trustworthy
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I installed a 9600 for the first time today, with an rfx9600. relays, ir routing and rs232 - fabulous!...right?

well, some of the ir codes did not work on the touchscreen, but did on the hard buttons; the reassign function doesnt work (still), and i had a weird thing with rs232 commands - they wont repeat properly i.e. if you hold the button down it says "command failed". is this a wifi issue? i would like more advanced control over the rs232 itself, i.e. conditions, variables, etc, or maybe i should stick to amx!?

and yes, the database import issues are annoying - while its fun to be paid £$£$ per hour to sit there trying codes out, just selecting "DENON DVD-2910" is so much easier.
RS232 included in the db would be amazing.

but, for an £800 all-in control system it scores 9/10...an amx modero panel and netlinx ni-700 processor (with only 2 of each control port as opposed to 4) would set you back a few grand, plus programming.
I have you now
Post 39 made on Friday April 20, 2007 at 01:03
Lyndel McGee
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Please don't give up. Rest assured that they are VERY busy on the next release.
Lyndel McGee
Philips Pronto Addict/Beta Tester
Post 40 made on Friday April 20, 2007 at 15:45
gbk33
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Finally, someone with some good news.....Thanks Lyndel!
May the pronto be with you
Post 41 made on Sunday April 22, 2007 at 23:47
avtech
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On April 20, 2007 at 15:45, gbk33 said...
Finally, someone with some good news.....Thanks Lyndel!

I will not put that much faith on "some one" e-mail / thread response!

I want it to hear from the Philips Team; And not only with promise that can be easily let forgotten in the air. I need to see concrete actions, before I keep supporting the product.

Make the software update available! And I will not accept a simple "software update for stability" as a positive response , instead I am hopping for a mayor software update that will allow to integrate 2-way control of mayor RS-232 / IP system components and a robust WI-FI communication with theirs network interfaces. I am hoping for a Remote API and Two Way IP Control Protocol of System Modules for Windows MCE.

Anything less and I am out! I am tire to hear promises that never materialize. Actions talk louder than words!
Live Long and Prosper!
Post 42 made on Thursday April 26, 2007 at 15:09
j2sgam
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Wow, he's pissed. I, on the other hand, am just wondering where all this is going?I am in the middle of my first 9600 programming, with little to no exp. with Pronto. I was very frustrated, then I got ddarche's manual, and I felt alot better about what I was doing. This thread has got me a little leary about wether or not to continue down this road. A friend of mine, whos been programming Pronots for years, was trying to show me how its done, and he was having trouble with the new remote. This thread was started by ProntoTeam, replied by much more and no more input from Prontoteam. What gives? Ask a question then turn your back when the answers come? Again Im new to this so my issues have already been brought up by most everybody above me. Im looking for answers.

To all who've posted even a little bit of info-THANKS! And much more to those who do more - you know who you are. Thank you all
You can't take life seriously...You'll never get out alive! Robin Williams
Post 43 made on Tuesday August 7, 2007 at 18:57
Jeffery
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I just got the 9600. Can one somehow import a .icf file to the 9600?
Jeffery
Post 44 made on Wednesday August 8, 2007 at 00:49
Lyndel McGee
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Nope. Sorry, cannot be done.

With regard to your question, you really should have opened a new thread as your question is not at all related to use of the TSU9600 database.
Lyndel McGee
Philips Pronto Addict/Beta Tester
Post 45 made on Monday September 17, 2007 at 13:17
warrenp
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Quite honestly, while I am impressed with the possiblities this remote has, I am dissappointed in several aspects of the TSU9600. I purchased this remote because it had the ability to control my Escient Fireballs without having to turn on a video monitor. Though it took some tweaking, it now does this fairly well, though frequently it does not show the cover art.

Although I realize that there are hundreds of thousands of pieces of remotely controllable electronic gear, and it would be impossible to have an unabridged database, I was surprised to find several of my components were not included and needed to be learned from their original remotes.

I am still a novice, and have recieved no formal training on the software, so I will reserve most of my comments for later, but I do feel there are too many steps involved in programming this remote. Why have a homepage soft key (i.e. Watch Live TV) that goes to a macro rather than just have the macro attached directly to the key? Also, why when you go to the "Gallery" page can you see both images and buttons, but when you want to add a button from a "Properties" page, you can only see images?

I am having other issues with the Pronto, but first I need to RTFM to determine if it is operator error before I complain about them.

I would have expected that this remote would be able to be programmed at least with basic functions by the end user, and certainly by one who is technically savvy. Overall I am a bit dissappointed that with all the capabilities this remote has, I have still been unable to program mine to a level where I am satisfied with it's performance and where I feel I don't need to keep other remotes close at hand for when the Pronto doesn't do the job.
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