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RFX9600 Unstable Behavior
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Post 16 made on Tuesday March 17, 2009 at 21:14
SJHart
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I've had a couple of times when my TSU9800 became a bit unstable. Primarily after a power failure in our home. I turned off/on the TSU9800 which corrected the issue. Didn't do anything to my router or RFX9600. SJ
OP | Post 17 made on Wednesday March 18, 2009 at 08:57
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On March 17, 2009 at 21:11, Barry Gordon said...
The router is a router+WAP so it has an internal WAP. The router will have an IP address for its main side (in my case the external connection to the Internet) and one for its LAN side so things on the LAN can see it as the gateway. If this is a linksys device the LAN side is normally 192.168.1.1. The built in WAP may not have an explicit IP as the only thing that talks to it is the Router nd that can then be managed internally.

Think of the internal WAP not being "On the network" but in a symbiotic relationship with the Router. It does not need an IP address as would be the case of a WAP this is connected to the network explicitly.

Barry,

OK. Yes originally the router I'm using as a WAP had an ip of 192.168.1.1. Initially I changed it to something in the range that would be genertated by DHCP in my main router. I've now changed it to something that is out of the DHCP range of the main router. I think having it in the DHCP range might have created some problem. OTOH I only attach one device to this subnet that picks up its ip via DHCP (a laptop) and that is only on occsasion. Not sure if this would have created a problem for the entire pronto subnet. In any case, after the changes I've not had any problems but I haven't played around with it very much.

Thanks for your help.
OP | Post 18 made on Wednesday March 18, 2009 at 08:58
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On March 17, 2009 at 21:14, SJHart said...
I've had a couple of times when my TSU9800 became a bit unstable. Primarily after a power failure in our home. I turned off/on the TSU9800 which corrected the issue. Didn't do anything to my router or RFX9600. SJ

I tried rebooting my 9800 and the RFX9600 but it didn't always work. I didn't have any power outages.
Post 19 made on Wednesday March 18, 2009 at 10:28
Barry Gordon
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May I ask why you felt it necessary to have two routers and to sub net the LAN? One of my guiding principals is KISS; "Keep it Simple Stupid" ( myself being the subject of the phrase).

I have a very extensive network in my home. It is a single sub net carrying VoIP and normal Ethernet traffic. Actually the VoIP is not on the net, just at the router. There is one Modem to the Cable, one Router with VoIP and 4 ports, 3 100 meg switches for distribution and three WAP's. Two of the WAPs service SSID "A" and one services SSID "B".

There are no firewalls on the LAN so there are no communications issues between hosts on the LAN but extensive protection is provided at the gateway for all external traffic.

The WAP's all run WEP 128 and the house, due to its construction, is very unfriendly to external signals (neighbors or cyber-stalkers wi-fi connection attempts). The total host count on the LAN is about 35 as many things electronic in my home have a micro-controller using TCPIP. One of the Servers runs DHCP merely because my router has a functionally weak DHCP service. One of my WAP's could also have run DHCP but I wanted the freedom of playing with that WAP for experimentation so I went with a software based DHCP.

Why not take the router/wap and replace it with a straight WAP eliminating another set of possible issues
OP | Post 20 made on Wednesday March 18, 2009 at 13:01
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On March 18, 2009 at 10:28, Barry Gordon said...
May I ask why you felt it necessary to have two routers and to sub net the LAN? One of my guiding principals is KISS; "Keep it Simple Stupid" ( myself being the subject of the phrase).

I have a very extensive network in my home. It is a single sub net carrying VoIP and normal Ethernet traffic. Actually the VoIP is not on the net, just at the router. There is one Modem to the Cable, one Router with VoIP and 4 ports, 3 100 meg switches for distribution and three WAP's. Two of the WAPs service SSID "A" and one services SSID "B".

There are no firewalls on the LAN so there are no communications issues between hosts on the LAN but extensive protection is provided at the gateway for all external traffic.

The WAP's all run WEP 128 and the house, due to its construction, is very unfriendly to external signals (neighbors or cyber-stalkers wi-fi connection attempts). The total host count on the LAN is about 35 as many things electronic in my home have a micro-controller using TCPIP. One of the Servers runs DHCP merely because my router has a functionally weak DHCP service. One of my WAP's could also have run DHCP but I wanted the freedom of playing with that WAP for experimentation so I went with a software based DHCP.

Why not take the router/wap and replace it with a straight WAP eliminating another set of possible issues

Barry,
I know your views on LAN security because I remember your post in the endless "WPA for pronto" thread. And it does sound like you have a pretty neat set up.

I do not have as much confidence in my knowledge of how to protect my network and I don't live in a house that is unfriendly to external signals. In fact it's buggy with all sorts of outside interference as far as I can tell.

In any case, that is why I decided to create a dedicated pronto subnet. The addition of the other router as a WAP on the pronto subnet was because I was not getting a strong enough signal in Room 2 and I just happened to have a spare router sitting in my office.

I have to add that I also got pretty pissed when I called Linksys support (Bangalore of course) and was told that I would have to buy yet another Linksys product to do what I wanted to do. That made me determined to find out how to use the router as an WAP.;-)

Having said that, if I continue to experience flakey network behavior and I'm convinced that it has to do with the router cross dressing as a WAP, I'll go out and get a dedicated WAP. I'm not that stubborn. :-)
OP | Post 21 made on Wednesday March 18, 2009 at 13:09
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Barry,

And if I still have your attention, something totally off topic but I bet you know the answer. I have a Radiance video processor in Room 1 and a plasma in Room2. The Radiance does wonders for picture quality (especially when adjusted by a professional calibrator--which I had done). It has two HDMI outs and I had the crazy idea to run HDMI from the Radiance all the way over to Room 2 so I could drive my second plasma with the R as well.

I know there can be issues with long HDMI runs and the cable is fat and therefore hard to run around corners etc, which is what I would have to do. So I thought maybe I could do it via Cat 6 cable and get some sort of converter boxes like Geffen makes so I only have to use HDMI cables out of the boxes to the R and the plasma.

Any advice on that one?

Thanks
Post 22 made on Wednesday March 18, 2009 at 13:39
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Thanks for the compliment and faith, however I have no experience with very long HDMI runs (my longest is about 50 feet being from the DVDO Edge scaler to the JVC projector).

There is quite a market out there for devices to extend HDMI runs using several technologies. Gefen has a decent rep and at the recent EHx show which I attended there were quite a few vendors selling gear to extend HDMI cable lengths.

As a matter of practice I use good HDMI cables but not the outrageous ones. I get them from monoprice or cablestogo and I generally use an 8" extension stub for the final connection to the component at each end so that the thick hard to bend cable is no longer a problem. I tie it, the thick cable, down to the sliding shelf that the component sits on. At the PJ I used a right angle adapter as the cable was coming down from the ceiling, but the PJ jack was horizontal.
OP | Post 23 made on Thursday March 19, 2009 at 21:08
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On March 18, 2009 at 13:39, Barry Gordon said...
Thanks for the compliment and faith, however I have no experience with very long HDMI runs (my longest is about 50 feet being from the DVDO Edge scaler to the JVC projector).

There is quite a market out there for devices to extend HDMI runs using several technologies. Gefen has a decent rep and at the recent EHx show which I attended there were quite a few vendors selling gear to extend HDMI cable lengths.

As a matter of practice I use good HDMI cables but not the outrageous ones. I get them from monoprice or cablestogo and I generally use an 8" extension stub for the final connection to the component at each end so that the thick hard to bend cable is no longer a problem. I tie it, the thick cable, down to the sliding shelf that the component sits on. At the PJ I used a right angle adapter as the cable was coming down from the ceiling, but the PJ jack was horizontal.

I have a 40 foot run with bluejeans cable HDMI. No problems. Yes it's fat. I have cable runway from Hellerman Tyton (sp?) and I use cable ties to manage. Works just fine.

If I did this run to my second room, however, it would probably be in the range of 100 feet. It's probably a nutty idea but sometimes it's just fun to try just to learn something new....;-)
Post 24 made on Sunday March 22, 2009 at 17:46
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My rule of thumb is to use good quality HDMI cables out to 40 feet. Beyond that I'll go to an extender of some sort. I know others have reported success beyond 40 feet, but that gets into "try it, see if it works" territory and I don't have time to go there.
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