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TSU6000 - new lighting setup
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Post 1 made on Tuesday October 14, 2008 at 13:49
nolatron
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Hi all,

Just purchased a TSU6000 today, my first pronto remote.

I'm also looking into eventually getting most of the lightning in the front room remote controllable, so I've been reading through several topics here. I think I've made sense of everything. :)

To start, I'm gonna keep it basic controlling my ceiling fan and lights first.

If I understood correctly, to make this work with a TSU6000 I simply need the following products:

- (1) X10 Transceiver Module (TM751)
- (1) SwitchLinc - INSTEON Dimmer Switch
- (1) SwitchLinc - INSTEON Relay (Non-Dimming), White

Will all of this hardware play nicely together?

Then it's just matter of programming the codes.

Being completely new to this, I'm also open to suggestions if you feel there's a better (or cheaper) system setup that I can use instead.

Thanks,
Shaun

Last edited by nolatron on October 14, 2008 15:53.
Post 2 made on Wednesday October 15, 2008 at 11:16
rehaz1
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On October 14, 2008 at 13:49, nolatron said...
Hi all,

Just purchased a TSU6000 today, my first pronto remote.


I'm also looking into eventually getting most of the lightning
in the front room remote controllable, so I've been reading
through several topics here. I think I've made sense of
everything. :)

To start, I'm gonna keep it basic controlling my ceiling
fan and lights first.

If I understood correctly, to make this work with a TSU6000
I simply need the following products:

- (1) X10
Transceiver Module (TM751)

- (1) SwitchLinc
- INSTEON Dimmer Switch

- (1) SwitchLinc
- INSTEON Relay (Non-Dimming), White


Will all of this hardware play nicely together?

Then it's just matter of programming the codes.

Being completely new to this, I'm also open to suggestions
if you feel there's a better (or cheaper) system setup
that I can use instead.

Thanks,
Shaun

The TM751 will only work with X10 devices and for use with an X10 remote not a Universal remote For Insteon devices you will need an Insteon IRLinc controller If you decide to use X10, you will need an IR543 controller
OP | Post 3 made on Wednesday October 15, 2008 at 12:12
nolatron
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Doesn't the TSU-6000 support RF though?

And the dimmer page says it's X10 compatible:

The Non-Dimming INSTEON SwitchLinc Relay is fully INSTEON compatible and X10 ready. Homeowners with existing X10 networks can easily migrate to an INSTEON network without having to discard all their existing X10 devices. X10 ready means that it can respond to X10 commands from an X10 controller and it can send X10 commands to X10 devices.

Has anyone actually used this setup before? (X10 RF receiver with Insteon switches)
Post 4 made on Wednesday October 15, 2008 at 13:15
raiders_fan94
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nolatron,

You're adding too much complexity to it...I used a variation of this:

[Link: beverlyhillselectric.com]

Couldn't find the exact one I used that also had fan controls. When you start doing more of the house, you'll need an IR543 as mentioned above.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
OP | Post 5 made on Wednesday October 15, 2008 at 14:12
nolatron
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Thanks Raiders. I'll take a look at that.
Post 6 made on Thursday October 16, 2008 at 13:59
rehaz1
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On October 15, 2008 at 12:12, nolatron said...
Doesn't the TSU-6000 support RF though?

And the dimmer page says it's X10 compatible:

The Non-Dimming INSTEON SwitchLinc Relay is fully INSTEON
compatible and X10 ready. Homeowners with existing X10
networks can easily migrate to an INSTEON network without
having to discard all their existing X10 devices. X10
ready means that it can respond to X10 commands from an
X10 controller and it can send X10 commands to X10 devices.

Has anyone actually used this setup before? (X10 RF receiver
with Insteon switches)

First X10 signals are signals sent over the power line through use of an adapter The IR543 for use with a X10 compatible Universal remote or the TM751 or RR501 Transceiver using an X10 remote such as the HR12A to an X10 module or X10 switch If you use INSTEON switches or modules and they are set to INSTEON then you need an IRLinc controller
Post 7 made on Sunday October 19, 2008 at 19:18
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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"RF" on a system remote always gives joy to the person in your position because it looks like the coolest answer in the world just fell in your lap. I know. I spent about ten minutes there once. Unfortunately, it's not true. Basically, until proven otherwise, the answer to the question "will this RF remote run my RF controlled devices?" is a resounding

NO.

The IR543 is one way of dealing with this; it's X10's, and only X10's, way of going from IR to its power line RF system. The Pronto won't do it.

The RF portion of a TSU6000 is for sending an RF signal to its other half, an RF receiver, which turns the signal into IR codes.

That being said, though, there was some success years ago here, thanks to a member who hasn't posted for at least three years, in getting some of these RF remotes to control RF devices. It all hangs on all of this coming together:
*The remote control transmits to its other half on the exact frequency used by your RF device, for instance a fan
*The way that the remote control transforms an IR signal into an RF signal creates encoded information that EXACTLY corresponds with the modulation scheme used by your RF device, again, the fan
*You can somehow get a code, which exists only as RF, into a remote control that only learns IR codes.


That last step is doable. The method that worked was this:

A PowerMid was bought. When I entered Powermid in google, some ten categories came up. They aren't all called Powermids these days, but they are out there.

A PowerMid is a two-part system, but ony the second half was used.

The original intent is for an IR sensor in Part A to receive an IR signal and transform it to an RF signal. This RF signal was then sent to Part B, which received the RF and transformed the information into an IR signal, which then went to the equipment in that room. These two parts together allow control from one room to another.


Part B was used by itself, like this: An RF Fan (frinstance) button was pushed, and Part B of the PowerMid received the RF signal and transformed it into an IR signal. This IR signal was learned by the Pronto as an IR signal. Note that if the IR signal doesn't look to the Pronto like an ordinary IR signal, it won't learn it.

Then, when the button was pushed on the Pronto, an RF signal was sent...with the intention of it going to the TSU6000's RF receiver, but if all the electrons, planets, and modulation schemes were in total synchronism, the fan would go on. Or off, or whatever.

So...you'll need to find out what RF frequency your fan is on; if it's not the same as the Pronto, you're SOL. If it's the same as a European Pronto, then one of those might work. Might. I only vaguely remember that being the solution.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
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