Spikey, Maybe those panties aren't so twisted after all.

Your comparison between Cat 3 and Cat 5 is certainly accurate. The difference is the number of twists per inch.

However, what someone alluded to above concerned multiple conductors bundled together inside the same piece of insulation, not a single wire (or pair).

I think the point the poster was making was even if you use several different wires, give them a different turns per inch factor, then bundle them all into the same piece of insulation, they are all constantly shorted together the full lenght of the wire, so the turns per inch issue is really out of the window.


I think that was the point he was trying to make, not that the number of twists in a wire did not change its characteristics.

In theory there will be an attempt for electrons of different frequencies to take different paths depending on the turns per inch. In practice, the change will be so minute you will need scientific notation to write it down, or else a large sheet of paper to add all the zeros that will follow the decimal.

"The different twistings DO give different timings."

No, they don't.

" There's a reason for the different twistings."

Yes, to reduce crosstalk....still nothing to do with time though.
Think about it, do you really want a cable where data on the transmit pair takes more time then data on the receive pair? That's just crazy.

Yes, that was my point.
Thanks.

If they are saying that about the standard speaker cables that just have a bundle of strands, yes. I assumed any discussion of that would refer to other types with individually wrapped bundles of wire. If that isn't what was meant by whomever brought it up, then my comment was wrong, based on something else.

Leaving now, I don't speak with automan, not worth my time.

"I don't speak with automan, not worth my time"

No need to speak, just listen and you may learn something.

"Monsta training", that's entertaining!!! The issue with many of the cable companies is the same, they take some solid electronic principles, and contort of misapply them. Talking about skin effect in speaker cables is a prime example. Skin effect has so little effectivity at audio frequencies as to be totally meaningless, yet I've seen a cable manufacturer bring this issue up in the forums here within the last 6 months.

A good place for no-nonsense information on cables, with application of the scientific method is:

[Link: audioholics.com]

They promote things like, using instrumentation to measure and quantify differences!! Oh My... such a novel concept. Another interesting concept they believe in is... A - B blind testing. Imagine the effect on the cable industry of customers listening / looking for differences, and only buying what they could hear or see the difference in!!