I have just created a file for a Yamaha receiver in Sonance's IR library (made by RTI, version 2.0.0.160). I did it by copying and pasting hex code I had learned into a TS1000 into the proper spot in the Sonance Library. All the codes were several lines long (except two: see below).

I have now just tried the same thing with a Yamaha DVDS540, and it has not worked at all. The codes are, for instance:

Power (toggle)
6000 0073 0000 0001 0004 000c

Play
6000 0073 0000 0001 0004 002c

Stop
6000 0073 0000 0001 0004 0031

and the Sonance program says "unknown code type detected." The Receiver codes that work are, for instance,

Zone 2 On
0000 006c 0022 0002 0156 00ab 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 003f 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 05f3 0156 0056 0016 0e55

Zone 2 Off

0000 006c 0022 0002 0155 00ac 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0040 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0015 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 05f4 0155 0056 0016 0e56

And ah, yes, I remember now; I also had a couple of receiver codes that the Sonance program could not use:

Zone 2 On
900a 006d 0000 0001 7e81 ba45

Zone 2 Off
900a 006d 0000 0001 7e81 bb44

I so humbly (because this is totally confusing to me) ask for some help in this...is there some way to translate those short commands into the type that the Sonance Library can understand?

The first three all use the RC-6 protocol with a device code of 4. This corresponds to setup code DVD/0539 in One For All remotes.

The individual command codes are:

12 power
44 play
49 stop

The two receiver codes use the NEC1 protocol with a device code of 122, so I'm guessing that this is a yamaha receiver. This corresponds to setup code audio/0176 in One For All remotes.

The individual command codes are:

29 Zone 2 On
30 Zone 2 Off

The final two "900A" codes reference the UDB. These are also NEC1 but this time with a device code of 126. This corresponds to setup code audio/0082 in One For All remotes.

The individual commands are:

186 Zone 2 On
187 Zone 2 Off

Try the following proto hex codes:

dvd power
0000 0072 0000 0013 0060 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0be3

dvd play
0000 0072 0000 0013 0060 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0020 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0be3

dvd stop
0000 0072 0000 0013 0060 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0be3

2nd zone 2 on
0000 006c 0022 0002 0157 00ac 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 060e 0157 0057 0015 0e74

2nd zone 2 off
0000 006c 0022 0002 0157 00ac 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 060e 0157 0057 0015 0e74

Robman, it looks like you are on the way to solving my probleml, at least in theory.

First, these are all Yamaha codes. The surprising thing is that the long and short codes for Zone 2, which you say are different protocols, all work with this Yamaha receiver. Are protocols just different ways of expressing the same command, and the component does not care which protocol is sent to it?

Second, someone started a thread about the DVDS540, with which I am having a problem, and referred to a ccf that has long codes for almost all of the commands. At the moment my problem is solved except for Previous. The ccf is a bit weirdly laid out and Next is actually missing. The short version of Previous is included. If you could somehow take the time to show me what that would be in the longer version, and take a stab at what Next might be, my life would be complete. Well, at least for the next fifteen minutes or so....

Previous
6000 0072 0000 0001 0004 0020, which is labelled as RC6 4 32

The long and short versions of the zone commands use the SAME protocol, just with different device codes and command codes. Do they do the same thing?

The newer Prontos have a built in database of UEI setup codes (known as the "UDB" for Universal Database), the short commands that start with "900a" are using the UDB.

All Prontos support the two Philips protocols, those being RC5 and RC6, and your signals that start with "6000" are RC6 signals. I'll try and remember to create the PREV hex code tomorrow.

The way I'm doing it is to get a One For All remote to send the signal and having my pronto capture it. If I send the signal in the normal fashion, it will get stored as a "6000" signal, but if I send it badly (ie, just a short press) I can get it to store the raw hex, which is what you want. Now, the badly learned raw hex doesn't repeat, but I know how to read and edit pronto hex well enough to know how to convert it into a repeating signal for you.

Yes, they do the same thing. That is why I gave two different strings under the same function label in the original post.

The thing that kills me is that these might be the same protocol, but the RTI IR Library manager does not recognize the short version.


Many thanks for that!


Wow. I am totally impressed. I have been trying just to get these things programmed and into the hands of customers, and have not been (un)blessed with the need to spend the time to figure out how it all works.

With you doing that for me, I feel even better about helping a client troubleshoot a bizarre incandescent bulb problem -- it was making sparklies on channels 4 and 5 -- over the phone for free. I didn't lose any money; I just passed something on that was easy for me. Thanks again to you for your great attitude and for sharing.

I didn't get a chance to generate the PREV code using the Pronto, so I've had a go at generating it by hand, see if this code works...

0000 0072 0000 0013 0060 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0be3

Btw, I should also point out that there's a toggle bit in RC5 and RC6 codes. I don't know how well the RTI understands the RC5/6 format, but if it doesn't re-create the toggle properly there's a good chance that the signals will only work intermitantly.

It's no surprise whatsoever that the RTI doesn't understand the short pronto hex format. The raw format (ie, where the first word is "0000") contains all the info you need to re-create the signal, whereas to understand the other formats you need access to certain internal "look up" tables.

Bingo. All is explained. The RTI is a blank slate type of program compared to the Pronto, which can figure some things out along the way, I guess.

I just learned the PREV button and it's actually command 33, the NEXT button is 32, here's the learned hex...

PREV
0000 0072 0000 0013 0060 0020 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0bf3

NEXT
0000 0072 0000 0013 0060 0021 0010 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0030 0030 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0020 0020 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0be3