Anyone care to break down the differences between the two. I saw the review for the TSU 6000 but none for the 7000. An unsuccessful attempt to serach through the forums was also attempted. I'm thinking of upgrading my TSU2000 to a color remote, but there's a $300 price difference on the two models on ebay. Basically I want to know if the price differential is worth it.

Thanks for any help.

--alexis

There is no comparison. Once you see a 7000 you wouldn't even contemplate the 6000.

Also, the 6000 was discontinued 2 years ago. It is unlikely you could find a new one.

My TSU2000 has been through a war or two, so I'm not that concerned with a 6000 being used, as long as its in good condition. What makes the 7000 more superior than the 6000. I haven't been off this forum that long, early adopters who bout the 6000 for over $1,000 must be pissed.

Anyone care to elaborate?

--alexis

You can edit the whole screen on the 7000. The 7000 has 64,000 colors compared to the 6000s 256 (I think). 7000 has far more memory, many more hard buttons and is supported with firmware upgrades whereas the 6000 is not. There are many more advantages but these are the biggest.

It all "depends." If you are not interested in the latest and greatest, by all means go for a 6000. However, you can get a 7000 for < $500 if you shop real hard and for around $650 without shopping hard. I don't think you can find a 6000 for less than $200 new or refurbed. I know several dealers who have 6000s sitting on shelves gathering dust. You might make an offer that can't be refused.

Personally, I wouldn't go near a 6000.

Alexis,

A TSU7000 has hard cursor controls while the TSU6000 has none. IMO, this is a really big deal that eliminates annoying multipage swapping for many devices.

Bruce

Thanks for the advice Bruce. The curson sounds really useful. That's probably my only complaint with the TSU2000. Its a pain when you need to execute multiple commands to different devices. I've automated some of the macros for regular use, but they're never perfect and its a pain to create something that would fit in with my units current layout.

My only question is, if the TSU 7000 is so superior, why hasn't Daniel done a product review?

--alexis

Daniel will do review soon, he spent lot of time making the game (his words).

Also do not forget more hard keys on ProntoProNG with nice cursor field on the bottom (biggest miss of old models IMHO). Only advantage old model has is build quality (IMHO again)

It is your choice, take both of them in the hand if you can and than decide!

I recommend the TSU7000 as well and own one myself. This is not really related to the decision you are trying to make between the two remotes per se, but if I may, I'd like to express some of my feelings on why the TSU7000 would be my choice, specifically versus a hard button only remote, or a remote like the TSU6000 which is more of an lcd remote due to the lack of hard buttons.

These NG model remotes, the TSU3000 and TSU7000 are just as much hard button remotes as they are lcd remotes in my opinion. With 20 hard buttons, 17 of which are completely programmable, you get the best of both worlds. My TSU7000 configuration file is very hard button oriented. The lcd screen is mainly used to change between devices, or browse channel icons or DVD cover images. It also comes in handy to display all the extraneous buttons from my original remotes, those functions that once you have things setup with a given peice of gear you don't have to ever access very much. Having the lcd screen you can make those buttons available for each device, labeled properly and laid out exactly how you want them.

With the lcd screen I keep the pickup sensor for screen activation turned off. I also have the two hard button groups below the screen set to not activate the screen at all. Screen activation only happens if I force it to by touching the screen, hitting the page up or page down fixed buttons once on the left side of the remote (this is my preferred method of screen activation), or if a given hard button press invokes a page navigation on the lcd screen. In this case the screen activates just before the page navigation takes place, so that you can see what screen you are on prior to the screen change taking place. A most excellent design! All this control over screen activation was just added with the most recent firmare update. That is another reason to go with a TSU7000. It is among the remotes currently which are getting the most attention by Philips with regards to future firmware and editor updates.

People that are in the hard button remote camp I find really play down the hard button abilities of the TSU7000. This remote is as functional and useful as any hard button remote in my option. The lcd screen in addition I find invaluable, not to mention the pc editor. I also don't find the size of the remote too cumbersome. Being a bit larger of course than your average hard button remote I tend to be more careful with it which is a plus. I also find that for the first time I always know exactly where my remote is. When you value something more than a remote you can just throw around you tend to keep tabs on where you last left it. It is also less likely you are going to lose the remote in between your couch cushions. :-) It is not too large to work with one hand effectively, but large enough and heavy enough that you can you can set it down on the coffee table or couch cushion next to you and use it without having to pick it up.

I have never experienced such a level of control, and customization before as I have with the TSU7000. From functionality, to layout, to design you have total control. You are only limited by the current memory which is greatly improved, hard button configuration, and the 240x320 lcd screen. There is enough flexibility there across the board to work with. Having the editor in addition for implementation makes the TSU7000 simply the bomb! There is no substitute as far as I am concerned. Many people would like a lot more out of the editor than what it currently offers, but I can live with links and page jumps. It offers simplicity and a great deal of control still. I am more than happy to make due. Any improvements of course and additional functionality are welcome.

If you want to invest in a remote for the long term which gives you the most flexibility and ease of use possible, the TSU7000 in my opinion is the way to go. The lack of hard buttons as has been said with the TSU6000 truely make it more of an lcd remote. That is its biggest drawback. It also does not have the continued support from Philips in so far as upgrades and such that the TSU7000 has.

-Lowpro

Daniel did say he was working on a review of the 7000, at first he said it was too close to the 3000 (the only difference is colour after all) and he would not bother, but some time ago he said he is working on it. Don’t forget a review of a remote like a Pronto takes a long time (if you do the job right) because you need to create a config to test it with. And if the review is just it needs a great config.

Whatever Daniel cranks out is certainly worth the wait! It will be most excellent to see an official TSU7000 review here at the site whenever that may be. :-)

-Lowpro

I don't know, it will definitely be interesting to read, but to be honest I would be more exited (and interested) by a review on an other remote like the Sony Navitus, Philips RC9800i, OFA Nevo SL or even the Harmony 880. It is not that I don't think the ProntoPro is not interesting as a remote, but just that there already is a lot of knowledge on them out there. On the other hand a head to head battle (comparison) between all the high end contenders (ProntoPro, MX-3000, Navitus, Nevo SL would be interesting)

So the TSU7000 is the same as the TSU3000, only with a color screen? Does anyone think 20 Hard buttons is too much? I kind of like my TSU2000 because it's almost completely an LCD remote. With 17 programmable buttons, what's left for the screen?

Thanks again for everyone's responses.

--alexis

It has a bit more then that, it has more memory, comes with a rechargeable battery and charger...... But from a functionality point of view (and stuff not covered by specs) they have the same features. And when they add one to one they soon add it to the other. (Original 3000 did not have timers, when the 7000 came out soon after it was added to the 3000. The 3000 just added user defined sending time for a code, it will be soon added to the 7000.) My impression of the soft features are that they work on one of them, add some features, then work on the other one to bring it up to date and add some more features)

I don't use all the buttons. I use the 4 firm keys just like you woulf have used tabs on a 6000. This saves a lot of screen space. Effectively the 7000 has 3 times the available screen area compared to the 6000.

I only use the 4 cursor buttons with DVD. But I do use the other buttons for Home, Channel Guide and OK.