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Holding down power key
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Post 1 made on Friday August 6, 2004 at 11:49
soundguru
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I have just purchased the Pronto NG - very nice, but I cannot turn on my TV via a macro, as you have to hold down the power button for a period. Can anyone suggest how to get round this?

Thanks in advance.
Post 2 made on Friday August 6, 2004 at 12:16
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If you need to hold down to you power key on your original remote, a proper learn will also allow you to hold down to corresponding key on the pronto just like the original remote.
OP | Post 3 made on Friday August 6, 2004 at 12:21
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Hi - Thanks for the reply, but this does not work in the Macro mode - the Macro only enables one press of the key, and cannot emulate the holding down of a key.

Any suggestions?

Post 4 made on Friday August 6, 2004 at 12:53
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Oh missed that...as part of a macro. I remember reading something about editing the code to extend it but I cannot remember where that is now. Perhaps the other gurus here could give some inputs on whether that is possible.
Post 5 made on Friday August 6, 2004 at 13:43
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To do that, you'll actually need to post the code you need help on.
Having once decided to achieve a certain task, achieve it at all costs of tedium and distaste. The gain in self-confidence of having accomplished a tiresome labor is immense. -----Arnold Bennett
OP | Post 6 made on Saturday August 7, 2004 at 10:02
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Thanks for all the help so far. The IR code for the Panasonic TX28DK2 is ...

0000 006E 0000 0032 0084 0041 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0AE3

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
Post 7 made on Saturday August 7, 2004 at 10:24
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With a Panasonic code like that you would hit the maximum length of Pronto Hex (that a Pronto NG will accept) long before you could extend to a duration that would do you any good.

Most of the Panasonics are unusually tollerant of extra delays between frames in a long signal. With an older Pronto you can extend a Panasonic signal by just aliasing the signal a bunch of times into a sequence. The Panasonic device just ignores the extra delay per sequence step that the older Prontos insert.

The NG Prontos insert an even bigger delay per sequence step, probably too big even for Panasonic, but it's worth trying.

If aliasing a sequence of the above signals doesn't work, another possibility is aliasing a sequence of a slightly modified signal:

0000 006E 0032 0000 0084 0041 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0031 0010 0010 0010 0031 0010 0031
OP | Post 8 made on Sunday August 8, 2004 at 07:56
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Thanks for this. I have tried stringing several of the power commands together but this did not work - as you say, the gap is too big for the Panasonic to recognise.

I tried the modified code, but this did not work either!

Help!!!
Post 9 made on Sunday August 8, 2004 at 14:52
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There is a technique that used to work on the OGs (Original Generation):
Learn the code the regular way.
Learn a second version of the code where you cover the emitter during the first half-second or so of the command; this learns only a repeating portion of the command.
String together one of the first part with several of the second part.

The problem I have heard about in this regard with the NGs is that they insert unrequested delays between macro steps. If the Panasonic is tolerant of those delays, this method might work.

The explanation for several commands in a row not working is that each command starts by telling the set that a NEW command is coming. That is why learning only the repeating part of the command could help.
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Post 10 made on Sunday August 8, 2004 at 20:42
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The whole Panasonic code is the repeating code. So the best you could do with that second learn is get the same as the first, which you already have.

Apparently the delays between macro steps are too long.

There are protocols where the repeat part differs from the initial part and the method you describe will sometimes do as well as you could do by editing the hex into two parts (if you understood the simplest parts of Barry Gordon's document on Pronto Hex format). But for this protocol there aren't two parts to split it into, so neither strange learning methods nor editing the hex can create any repeaqt part that works better than the original.
Post 11 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 19:35
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Just going through my old thread Favourites and thought I'd update this thread for the archive...

With the new ProntoNG Firmware it is now possible to make the power button for the Panasonic last as long as you want (0.5 seconds works for me).

I am a very happy bunny.
Post 12 made on Saturday April 23, 2005 at 20:39
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That duration thing is a real life-saver.
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