I have a pronto pro, and I was wondering if there is a software other than Pronto Edit that would let me create fullscreen graphics (320x240). Because it's very limited otherwise with Pronto Edit (218x240 I think). If there is no software capable of doing that, do you think it will never be possible due to the hardware of the pronto pro ?
Thank you for your help.

It's not the hardware given you the limit. It's the firmware of the pronto. The only remote that can allow you to use the full screen is the tsu-3000, which just came out a few months ago.

Rob

You're right, I bought the tsu3000 for a friend last week and I've noticed that we can modify the fullscreen. But for the pronto, as we can update the firmware via a PC, it's potentially possible to create a firmware that would accept full screen modification. But nobody, I think, has tried yet, am I right ?

There is a program (ImgRep) in the files area that will allow you to change the graphics in the firmware. Nobody at this point is going to reverse engineer the firmware for full screen, since the new model is out.

Jim L

And it would be virtually impossible to do.

I was about to post a message asking exactly this question. I just bought a TSU6000 last week. I’ve read quite a bit of information but nothing mentioned about this issue. The idea is to program certain functionality and the ability to create your own look and feel. Both of which are defeated by having hard-coded UI elements that cannot be changed. I created an UI for my wife to be able to use the system and her first question was “what do these buttons do?” while referring to the hard-coded elements at the top and at the bottom of the screen.

>> Nobody at this point is going to reverse engineer the firmware for full screen, since the new model is out.

Isn’t the TSU600 the “new model out”?

>> And it would be virtually impossible to do.

This is software. Nothing is “impossible”. Why do you say that?

The TSU6000 has been out since about summer 2001. If you want more screen space, there's always the Marantz RC9200 (not full screen, but more than the Pronto).

can't talk about Peter, but the amount of time and effort in relation to benefit make it hard for anyone to take up the task


no, the newest models are the TSU 3000 and the iPronto that came out this year. They also use a different file format

I didn't say completely impossible, just virtually impossible. It would be a massive task to figure out what the code does, how it does it, then finding some way to patch it without destroying functionality. You would need to have a through understanding of the underlying operating system, the chipset and its instruction set. Plus the tools (such as compilers) for developing the mods. Probably several man years of effort.

Now I understand what you mean. You’re talking about reverse engineering the thing. I was thinking about Philips providing it. I’m new to the Pronto but I’ve been involved in software engineering for over 20 years. The tool provided for UI work on the Pronto needs some major UI work itself. It is utterly convoluted for no good reason and lacks a great deal of modern design tools (not having alignment tools is simply absurd for instance).

Two things turned my attention to the TSU6000. The color display and the “alleged” ability to “completely” program the user interface. I wanted to be able to set the UI in such a way as to leave no other UI elements than those I programmed. Having those hard coded elements up on top defeats the purpose. I’m not talking about screen real estate (though that may be an issue in its own right). I’m talking about trying to build an idiot proof UI. Extraneous UI elements prevent you from doing that.

I noticed the iPronto but it looked like a glorified Smart Display, which I’ve also been playing around with.

There is actually a reason for it being convoluted. ProntoEdit started off life as a tool used by the Pronto developers for internal use only. It was never meant to be released to the public. Pressure from the original Pronto adopters caused it to be made public.

The upper layer of Pronto OS - segment APP contains CCF interpreter and all display routines - like picture show and text out. It is needed to make indignant the interpreter and also make a brainwash to PE – the painstaking and amotivational work… I think, there is no other tools to setup Pronto developed (and needed)