If you had actually been around here for the past few months, witnessing the discussion of that topic on a daily basis, your post might be quite different.

I suggest reading every one of those 3,642 posts like I have, and then reporting back here whether there is truly any more useful discussion to be had, especially by the few posters that almost solely populated the topic.

Mr. Peck:

... what Daniel said, AND... !

... you also do not have a clue about who Daniel Tonks is, and his impeccable integrity and dedication to this web site.

I have known the man for a number of years, and if you had also, you would not have made the post you did. (Or maybe you would have, I don't know, but it would still have been way out of line.)

There are many, many on this site who will vouch for Daniel as well and I would say that I could count on one hand those who wouldn't - if any.

So, when I compare your 20 posts to the countless number of quality posts that others who will vouch for Daniel's integrity have made, I'll go with their assessment of the situation and the man, and not yours.

Daniel is right on the money in suggesting that you read every single one of those posts.

And please DO come back and let us know what your take is on it.

Here's hoping you'll realize your error and be man enough to apologize.

And, no, I do not work for Daniel or for Remote Central.

- Greg

Greg (and Daniel),

You'll notice that I'm a "long-time" member here... I've been here since my old "Pronto Pro" days. And, I probably didn't read every message in the section at issue because I got tired of the idiocy before most everybody else did. And, that's the great thing about a free-flowing forum of information--everybody can choose to read or not read what they want, without anyone making that decision for them!

Greg, you completely missed my point--Daniel, you kind of missed my point. My point, once again, is:

Despite the perceived "idiocy" or "uselessness" of posted messages, a truly free forum to discuss them must let them be exchanged.

While Daniel has the "right" to choose what can and cannot be discussed on his forums, he does his readers a disservice by becoming the "sole decider" of what is good commentary and what isn't good commentary.

And, I will be the first to say that most indications are that Daniel is not influenced by his paid banner ads. But, there's just the "possibility of influcence" when the same page listing his "There will be no more discussion about Universal Remote Control" message has a flashy paid banner ad at the top from... Universal Remote Control.

- George Peck -

First off, the reason that Daniel closed that thread was not due to the reason that arguing was about URC's software policy. If I recall correctly, that had nothing to do with it.

Go and read the hundred plus pages of that thread, and you'll find it's packed with nothing but personal insults by disrespectful members. There was very little discussion about the policy.

I'd be willing to bet that 99.99% of the members of this site are extremely happy that this is finally over. Some members, one in particular, were getting way out of hand.

Every other forum that I'm a member of would have ended that long ago. You should be commending Daniel for giving members the chance to try and work out their differences themselves. Unfortunately, that could not happen.

Maybe you should go create your own forum if this really bothers you that much. Then, you can decide the ways in which your forum can be abused.

Oh, and by the way, the banner ads are random. Right now I have a Best Buy ad at the top of my screen and a Philips Pronto TSU9600 at the bottom of my screen.

Edit: Fixed a sentence so that it makes sense.

Last edited by OTAHD on July 11, 2007 19:12.

If I had actually wanted to prevent discussion of a subject matter, due purely to the subject matter do you honestly think I would have let it go on for 9 months and over 3,600 posts? And why would I leave those 3,600 posts sitting around after the fact?

If people had listened to the numerous warnings given over that 9 month period and acted like mature adults, discussing the matter with both level heads and respect to their fellow posters, the thread[s] would still be open. However any thread regarding that subject matter attracted the same posters with the same heated arguments.

I had a choice between the outright banning of a number of members, or simply closing discussion of a topic that had had nothing useful posted to it for some months.

Mr. Peck:

Read what OTAHD wrote, and what Daniel wrote, and you'll see that none of us missed your point at all.

You are making insinuations of impropriety that cannot be left sitting there without a rebuttal.

Since you are careful to use phrases like "... one would hope that..." and "... most indications are..." you try to deflect the fact that you are insinuating that Daniel has done something that has no place in a public forum.

It has been clearly explained to you why it was done; that it has no relationship to any particular manufacturer; and that a public forum such as this is not the place for vitriolic name-calling, which by definition, is NOT good commentary.

So, your point was made, and your insinuations noted, and your lack of understanding of the reason why Daniel closed the thread is documented as well.

Greg

is that so? so how does a post like this make it through, even when brought to Daniels attention it wasnt addressed, in fact the writer has continued his vitriolic name calling and attacks since...

posted by "Anthony" in this thread- [Link: remotecentral.com]

"do all morons travel in packs ? just curious why when one of you twits posts soon after someone else posts with something equally stupid. Is it that you are all in the same asylum or is it that you all have the same hobby (and judging by Stealth X who likes to hang around sites for preadolescent boys, something like pedophilia and so during school time you pass by here)"

i would say if anyhting classifies as a bannable action that does. but it seems it wasnt even addressed based on the continued name calling etc....

I agree with Anthony, you're moron and a trouble maker. grow up.

thanks for chiming in to shed your vast intelligence on the situation, edmund. LOL!