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Coax vs optical
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OP | Post 46 made on Sunday October 8, 2000 at 16:33
Mig Killer
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OK, no science. I bought a digital coax to replace my optical (needed a optical for new cd player). I left both of them hooked up from DVD to reciever and ran a few sceens/songs across both. I thought the coax sounded better. Then, thinking it was in my head, I got my "I hate your electronic crap" wife to listen to both but didn't tell her why. She thought the coax sounded much fuller and had more bass. I told a few friends and they changed to coax and noticed a change.

Again, no science, it is just better now.

Rob
OP | Post 47 made on Monday October 9, 2000 at 01:19
Larry in TN
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OK, so where does one get a coaxial cable for the DVD hookup? Do you just make your own out of RG6 and use F-to-RCA adapters? Seems like that's too many connections.
OP | Post 48 made on Tuesday October 10, 2000 at 21:07
Mig Killer
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Got mine from a local retailer, but it's Monster cable made for this with RCA ends, I'm sure one could find it on the web. It's pretty thick with a lot of shielding.

Rob
Post 49 made on Friday March 28, 2003 at 15:42
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I agree, the more expensive the better, but never the less, for the average joe, if you think you have too many wires running and are afraid of inteferance, go with Optical for your DVD, if you think your system is fine, go with Coax, I am running both, one DVD player with Coax and one with Optical, I cant hear a differance through my setup (Amp: Yamaha HTR 5590).

On 06/06/99 19:51, Bevan said...
The guy at my hi-fi shop said that optical isn't
necessary good. Among them, the signal has to
be converted from electrical to light, and converted
back from light to electrical. Also, there are
good optical cables and bad optical cables. Good
optical cables are very expensive. Coax cable
lets the signals through via one standard interface,
although you may get all the 'problems' that cables
get. But there are also good coax cables and bad
coax cables. So he made me one using the best
audio (Nakamichi) cable and plugs he's got, and
I'm very happy with the results.

Post 50 made on Wednesday October 1, 2003 at 21:39
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I realize this thread is very old, but....
Does anyone know whether optical cable truncates a 96kHz signal to 44.1 kHz? I thought I read that somewhere. There are a few CD's out there that have been encoded in 96/24bit, if optical truncates the signal to 44.1/24, then I need to know.
Post 51 made on Sunday October 5, 2003 at 08:34
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I wish more component manufacturers would add AES/EBU inputs to their products. That way debates like this could add a third dimension.
Post 52 made on Sunday November 16, 2003 at 11:06
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Can an audio receivers Coaxial Digital connection cause ground loops when used in conjunction with video equipment?
Post 53 made on Monday November 17, 2003 at 09:57
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With a properly designed receiver and source components, it should not be an issue. Usually the main culprit for ground loops is your cable TV connection.
Post 54 made on Friday November 21, 2003 at 04:45
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Larry sez
"OK, so where does one get a coaxial cable for the DVD hookup? Do you just make your own out of RG6 and use F-to-RCA adapters? Seems like that's too many connections."

There are video cables made with RCA connectors on each end. These will work fine for digital.

Enoch sez
"Does anyone know whether optical cable truncates a 96kHz signal to 44.1 kHz? I thought I read that somewhere. There are a few CD's out there that have been encoded in 96/24bit, if optical truncates the signal to 44.1/24, then I need to know."

How could it possibly do that? How would the optical medium know just which bits (and even which PARTS of bits) needed to be let through? Note that 96 is not twice 44.1, so it's not even like the fiber could somehow magically chop out half the bits! That is the most ridiculous idea I ever heard, and I congratulate you for quoting it, not thinking of it yourself!


G50AE sez
"I wish more component manufacturers would add AES/EBU inputs to their products. That way debates like this could add a third dimension."

Yeah, but heck, doesn't this have enough dimensions already?


MErichard sez
"Can an audio receivers Coaxial Digital connection cause ground loops when used in conjunction with video equipment?"

I was actually waiting (well, wading, really) all through this discussion for someone to bring that up. That is the ONE possibly valid point that I have ever heard favoring optical over coax.


G50AE sez
"With a properly designed receiver and source components, it should not be an issue. Usually the main culprit for ground loops is your cable TV connection."

You're absolutely right about this. As I said, that issue could possibly be valid. And you actually can have ground loops among your equipment connections. But these will not cause problems, particularly when compared to a cable TV ground problem!


And, yeah, Daniel's claim of expertise went straight down the drain with me when he claimed that light will come out of a diamond in a dark room. Now THAT would be a time domain problem!


By the way, a few years ago I ran across a Toshiba 5.1 demo disc with some two-channe tracks on it, and one track actually had no output from the digital out! I don't remember whether it was coax or optical, but I have always connected peoples' systems with analog as well as digital audio.

Anybody ever hear of that one before?

A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 55 made on Friday November 21, 2003 at 08:37
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When hooking up a CD player there is another reason why hooking up both digital and analog outputs to the receiver or pre-amp may be nessesary. Assuming your CD player has an HDCD decoder, but your receiver does not, as most do not, you need to use the analog outputs to take advantage of HDCD encoded disces. However, to take advantage of DTS CD's, you need to use the digital output and your receiver or pre-amp must be able to decode DTS, as most can these days.

One source component, two different hook-ups. If you want to get even more complicated we can discus laserdisc players.
Post 56 made on Friday November 21, 2003 at 15:40
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Well.... wait a minute. The first place my CATV feed runs is into my set top satellite box, after that it goes to the tv. Since the set top box is the first source of ground and connects directly to the audio reciever, would'nt this be the best possible place to link with optical?

In theory I think caox may have the edge. What about in the real world?

Post 57 made on Friday November 21, 2003 at 20:14
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From what I gather your house has possibly 4 grounding points,
1- The electrical service
2- Where the cable enters the house
3- The Satelite dish antenna installation
4- Telco interface point

Idealy you should look to take steps to make all of these points as close to equipotential as possible.
Post 58 made on Sunday November 23, 2003 at 13:58
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Yes, that looks about right. But I live in Florida, (we float on saltwater) and re-grounding the house if possible is not an alternative for most installers.

Ground loops happen, and probably exist in most systems at least to some degree. Some may be measureable and inaudible, others affecting video quality and not audio.

Since this potential exists, wouldn't the best connection from video to audio componentry be almost always be optical?

After reading this thread the consensus seems to be coaxial is better. In this case I would think optical would almost always rule.

Rich
Post 59 made on Saturday November 29, 2003 at 10:04
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On 11/21/03 04:45, Ernie Bornn-Gilman said...
G50AE sez

"I wish more component manufacturers would add
AES/EBU inputs to their products. That way debates
like this could add a third dimension."

Yeah, but heck, doesn't this have enough dimensions
already?

Having an extra dimension prevents the discusion from becoming flat.
Post 60 made on Saturday November 29, 2003 at 13:46
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On 11/29/03 10:04, G50AE said...
Having an extra dimension prevents the discusion
from becoming flat.

So does a good bra.
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