Are there any DVD recorders available that come with ATSC tuners?
-DonB

I found a Phillips at Target with Component in but no ATSC tuner. It was $200.00.
BTW- I realize that a ATSC DVD recorder would need to compress the HD show to fit on a standard DVD.



-DonB

DVDs don't carry HD. A component in would only record 480p. HD is 720p or 1080i. So you wouldn't gain much between having an ATSC or NTSC tuner.

"DVDs don't carry HD. A component in would only record 480p. HD is 720p or 1080i. So you wouldn't gain much between having an ATSC or NTSC tuner."

True and I agree with you, but there are some ATSC multicast channels I would not mind time shift recording on occasion.

I am guessing I will have to wait until the HD-DVD or a Blu-Ray recorders become standard.

-DonB2

Well does your ATSC tuner have composite out? Because you could still record 480i with it hooked up to the burner through composite in. Or S-video, for that matter. I do this on occasion with my set-top burner and found that it works real well.

OTAHD,

The Pioneer ATSC does output composite, S Video, and Fire wire but no component out.

It is a little clumsy to record a ATSC show from the Pioneer ATSC Tuner/Plasma.

I presently have it hooked up to a VHS recorder and have recorded a few ATSC shows with S video but the results appear to have lost some of the color depth. There appears to be more brown tones in the copy.

This problem may go away when I connect it to the DVD recorder but not sure.

Also when I record from the Pioneer ATSC tuner I have to use monitor out and it generates this awful audio hum if I don't turn down the volume before the signal is output. It says right in the Pioneer manual to expect this hum. Kinda lousy if I do say so myself.

But it is away to record albeit rather clumsy.

I have not yet tried the fire wire which my cheap DVD recorder has as input but do not have a lot of hope it will work since the Pioneer Manual states that Fire wire will only work with a Digital VHS recorder which I do not presently own and am trying to get away from large VHS tapes anyway.


-Don B2

I can always get this and quit wining:

[Link: computerpartner.nl]

text of above URL:

Toshiba's HD DVD recorder coming next month
22 jun 2006 | 06:14 uur

Toshiba Corp. will launch the first HD DVD recorder next month in Japan, it said Thursday.

Toshiba's announcement of an HD DVD recorder comes as the first player for the rival Blu-ray Disc format is launched, and is sure to raise competition a notch in an already competitive market. Toshiba put its first HD DVD player on sale in Japan in March.

The RD-A1 is much like existing digital video recorders but with high-definition support. There's 1T-byte of hard-disk storage space for day-to-day recording and the HD DVD drive allows consumers to store TV shows they wish to keep.

The hard-disk storage space is enough for about 130 hours of digital HD terrestrial TV and a dual-layer HD DVD-R disc will be able to store about 230 minutes, or just under four hours of programming, Toshiba said. Blank discs will cost around ¥4,500 (US$39) in Japan.

Prominent among the features of the RD-A1 is its support for 1080p (1,080 lines progressive) video output, which was missing on Toshiba's first generation player, and had been seized upon by Blu-ray Disc backers as a reason to buy their machines.

The recorder won't come cheap, with a price tag of ¥398,000 (US$3,467).

In launching the device Toshiba cannot technically claim to be first with a high-definition video disc recorder. Sony Corp., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd. (Panasonic), Sharp Corp. and Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. put Blu-ray Disc recorders on sale in their home markets of Japan and Korea in the last few years, but the players have in reality been little more than marketing exercises.

These recorders are based on early generations of Blu-ray Disc technology and can't play any of the Blu-ray Disc movie titles going on sale from this week. They also use an earlier generation cartridge media which won't fit into the new players that will soon be on sale.

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Assume some manufacturer could pull some off the shelf components and make up a ATSC DVD dual Layer recorder with Component out.

How many minutes of recording could be made if one was trying to achieve at least as good HD quality as what is available from say Discovery HD?

20 minutes, 30 minutes, 2 hours or just maybe 10 minutes?

-Don B

2 hour movies on Bluray are taking up ~22GB with MPEG2 encoding, the same as DVD. So maybe 40 minutes of 1080p24 video on a dual layer DVD. Not sure what you would want encoded, but 1080i60 and 720p60 are also in the same ballpark.

Moot point, really. Copy protection and studio paranoia are the reasons this doesn't already exist. Toshiba will have an uphill battle bringing that to the USA. At least in usable form. If all the transmissions are copy protected, it won't have anything to copy.

Spikey,

Thanks.

BTW, A coworker sent me this interesting commentary on HD DVD formats he came across:

[Link: audioholics.com]

-DonB

The reason I want to have a DVD recorder that has an ATSC tuner is because the Analog tuner will stop working in two years. If I spend $400.00 for a dvd/vhs/tuner/EPG, once analog goes away, the only thing this will be good for is playing old DVDs. If it has an ATSC tuner I will be able, in my area at least, to record 11 digital programs that are not on standard ntsc or analog channels regardless of if I downconvert to fit a DVD (480p) or for that matter a VHS tape (250i). I don't plan to jump to HD DVD or Blue Ray too soon, I have a closet full of CED disks, 12 " laser disks, 8mm pre-recorded video, even casettes and 8 tracks! Just give me a ATSC Digital tuner and a programing guide (EPG) so I can record and play at the same time, and a way of copying 400 VHS tapes to DVD before they are in the closet, too.

Bruce Meisinger

Bruce,

First of all, I don't think NTSC will really be gone in 2 years, you know how they keep pushing it back.

Your best bet now is to get a set-top recorder with at least composite/s-video, preferrably component, inputs, and a seperate ATSC tuner. Hook the SD (or EDTV, hopefully) output of the tuner to the input on the player.

This will also be good for creating DVDs of all of those VHS and laserdiscs.

What kind of 8mm are you talking about? The camcorder tape will be easy. If you're talking about old film, I could help you there, too. I successfully made DVDs for over 200 reels cheaply and would be happy to share my experiences.

"and a seperate ATSC tuner"

Has anyone besides myself noticed how scarce STB ATSC tuners are becoming?

-DonB

Yes, you may have to get them online. Most of them come integrated now.