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| Topic: | The Future of Remote Controls This thread has 33 replies. Displaying posts 16 through 30. |
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| Post 16 made on Tuesday November 26, 2019 at 10:49 |
andrewinboulder Select Member |
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I used to sell a URC remote here and there for budget single room systems. This year I have not sold a single one!
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| Post 17 made on Tuesday November 26, 2019 at 11:11 |
Richie Rich Senior Member |
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On November 26, 2019 at 09:53, GeneD said...
Defintely think hard buttons are needed along with basic controls for most 'other' remotes to match such as stop, play, fast forward etc. You certainly don't need alot of hard buttons (I think C4 missed the opportunity to include a row or layout below their current iteration). A dynamic display with mic (google/siri) is the future, but as mentioned, basics with hard buttons help with options (turn off when significant other is asleep vs having backlight on), basic navigation of all remotes that are controlled (on/off, dvr settings, etc.).
I remember about 20 years ago when Sony showed a pointer (mouse) as their remote on the screen as you raised/motioned your hand (forget name) and moved the remote in your hand and it could dynamically navigate but it never took off (even had API). I think a combination of options for customers is the future. Implementation is the key (having the remote do everything any touchscreen can do at minimun). C4s new remote for example is limited and half baked although cool lacks full-thought and future driven;thrown into market. C4 doesn't even have security options for limiting what a remote can/can't do per room or user...this customization is the future and needed if you providing all options on such devices.
Having a remote that is isn't tied to one particular technology helps (Google AND Siri for example) so a dealer can adapt to the customer, not other way around. Options, Options and Options... I want to say the Sony offering was called an Air Mouse or similar. I have one of the remotes kicking around here somewhere.
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| OP | Post 18 made on Tuesday November 26, 2019 at 12:56 |
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On November 26, 2019 at 09:44, Mac Burks (39) said...
If you look back here at remotecentral i am sure you will find a post or ten where i thought hard buttons for everything were a must. Today my opinion has changed. I could use a Crestron MTX-3 in my family room at this point.
With xfinity at my house i use voice to navigate like 75% of the time. I use favorite channel touchscreen buttons for the other 25%. I haven't dialed a channel number in for over a year.
I think the Crestron TSR-310 is a great remote. If Crestron can make their MIC button do what the xfinity (and roku and any others) remote does i think the number pad wont matter anymore. Stick it in the GUI for when you feel like you have to use it.
For our clients right now they use favorite channel icons, fav channel feature of their cable or satellite provider and their DVR and Guide to look for content. We sold MTX-3's and TPMC-3Xs for a few years and now the TSR-310. Not one single client has asked about hard buttons for numbers. Wow. Ok, you just swayed my thinking on this a bit. I see certain of my customers - as well as myself - as being diehard, no compromise proponents of hard number buttons, but maybe I need to rethink this.
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| Post 19 made on Tuesday November 26, 2019 at 17:55 |
On November 26, 2019 at 09:53, GeneD said...
I remember about 20 years ago when Sony showed a pointer (mouse) as their remote on the screen as you raised/motioned your hand (forget name) and moved the remote in your hand and it could dynamically navigate but it never took off (even had API). LG does this on their new TVs. At least the high end oleds.
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| Post 20 made on Tuesday November 26, 2019 at 19:33 |
Daniel Tonks Wrangler of Remotes |
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Sony VisionTouch, think it came out around 1993. Was a nightmare to try to control via a traditional universal.
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| Post 21 made on Tuesday November 26, 2019 at 22:49 |
Glackowitz RC Moderator |
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has anyone looked at josh.ai? Voice control of quite a bit of stuff, client can setup scenes, www.josh.aiWorks with Crestron and control4, for non ip devices like cable boxes and Blu-ray’s it uses global cache to get ir/232.
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| Post 22 made on Wednesday November 27, 2019 at 01:13 |
buzz Super Member |
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On November 26, 2019 at 17:55, gerard143 said...
LG does this on their new TVs. At least the high end oleds. I find this UI to be very annoying.
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| Post 23 made on Wednesday November 27, 2019 at 08:01 |
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I’ve also come around to I can give up hard buttons for numbers. But I still want hard button transport controls.
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| Post 24 made on Wednesday November 27, 2019 at 13:45 |
Daniel Tonks Wrangler of Remotes |
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Agreed. I think with the way people are watching content these days (streaming), number keys have less and less importance (especially since no one uses them to pick CD tracks any more), and they could be delegated to a touchscreen.
Would be nice to see something like a URC MX-890 with no keypad and a roomier / more ergonomically defined layout. I still find it tricky to know what key I'm going to hit on the 890 without looking at the dang thing.
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| Post 25 made on Wednesday November 27, 2019 at 13:59 |
Ernie Gilman Yes, That Ernie! |
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On November 27, 2019 at 13:45, Daniel Tonks said...
Would be nice to see something with no keypad and a roomier layout. Anybody got a Lexicon 500T? I walked in on Marlon Brando one day... he was leaned back on the couch and his 500T was sitting comfortably on the shelf of abdominal tissue that protruded from under his ribs. ("Comfortably" might be a bit of a stretch since the damn thing weighed a couple of pounds.) (That was the first RTI product I ever programmed.) I still find it tricky to know what key I'm going to hit on the 890 without looking at the dang thing. I used to LOVE the Marantz RC5200 until I programmed one for myself and discovered that I could not reliably fast forward and then hold my finger above the next button I wanted to hit, typically PLAY. I needed a SOLID BUTTON that I could rest my finger on while watching the screen during fast forward. In essence, transport controls require solid buttons. Since learning that my guide has been to use solid buttons when the remote is used often enough to memorize the shapes of the buttons. Use a screen in places where it's normal to look away from the remote, for instance in a conference room where nobody learns the remote well enough to use it by touch.
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| Post 26 made on Thursday November 28, 2019 at 02:13 |
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I think Savant has the best looking remote with the best button compliment at the moment. Anyone remember the URC MX5000? That was a good one. Maybe slightly ahead of it's time.
I do not need number buttons either. But hard navigation, transport, and volume buttons are essential. As is button backlighting. 😁
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| Post 27 made on Thursday November 28, 2019 at 09:00 |
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nothing is worse than having to scroll thru an on screen number pad (entering info, set up, etc). I rarely use favs, I use numbers. I want numbers.
Give me hard number buttons or I dont want it.
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| Post 28 made on Friday November 29, 2019 at 01:31 |
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On November 28, 2019 at 09:00, Ranger Home said...
nothing is worse than having to scroll thru an on screen number pad (entering info, set up, etc). I rarely use favs, I use numbers. I want numbers.
Give me hard number buttons or I dont want it. This is it for me, too. If I'm on the couch watching a show in the dark, the last thing I want to do is flood the room (or even my eyes) with the light from a tablet or even a smartphone, just to turn the volume up or down. If it comes to navigating an AppleTV? Away from the factory remote, it's hard-buttons or nothing. Granted, the C4 OS3 gave us gestures, which is better, but for basic transport functions, volume and channels etc., hard buttons are, IMHO, unbeatable. After a day or so of learning a new layout on a new handset, you don't even have to look away from the screen.
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| Post 29 made on Friday November 29, 2019 at 11:13 |
buzz Super Member |
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My experience has been that hardware “secure” users prefer hard buttons, while hardware “insecure” users prefer a visual approach.
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| Post 30 made on Friday November 29, 2019 at 11:25 |
Archibald "Harry" Tuttle Advanced Member |
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MX900 FTW
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