(This thread is also in the Pronto Forum)

Once again, the question came up yesterday: which plasma do we recommend for this customer?

"This customer" is a spec house where we have to assume the end user will not have the time or understanding to deal with a system that does not have discrete codes for all devices.

So, I have to pick your brains: Which plasmas have both discrete input codes and discrete power codes (or usable workarounds)?

So far, I have seen discrete input codes but do not remember a single plasma with discrete power. I may easily have been paying attention to other things...

Thanks for your help.

You would have to check on current models as things are constantly CHANGING but several Pioneer and Fujitsu models have had discrete power and input selection. Certainly all relevant commands are available through RS-232 which is the ideal control method.

Hitachi has separate on and off buttons on the remote, as does Fujitsu.

The Hitachi also has all 4 inputs on the remote, too (so they're really not discretes- there's there to be used from the minute it's pulled out of the box)

edited to add this....

Oh... and... with the Hitachi unit, you don't need to waste money using a 'plasma proof' IR repeater system- i have yet to have interferance issues with a Hitachi plasma....

I have yet to see a picture from a Hitachi that looked good.

Are you looking for IR , RS-232, both ?

Dave

Pioneer, Pioneer Elite, Sharpvision, Runco, Fujitsu, Marantz, NEC, Gateway (although I don't think the latter should be a client recomendation), Sony. These are some (I'm sure not all) of the plasma's I've programed for and they all had discretes. I'm sure there are far more manufacturers that have plasma's with discretes. My "client recomended" plasmas would be Pioneer Elite first and foremost and Runco second.

I am looking for IR control. I know RS232 is better, but this is intended to be a ProntoPro system. I know, with that kind of equipment, it should have a better remote...but it's a spec house. Plasma or no plasma, the choice has to be plasma because it is impressive. But ProntoPro or Crestron, the thought is that "it's just a remote." Sad but true.



I have read this six times and I do not understand what you are trying to tell me. First, though, if a remote "has all 4 inputs on the remote," I assume you mean there is a separate button for each input, which I call discrete codes! So...what do you mean?

discrete codes are defined as being codes that are built in to the machine, but not added to the remote.

If the remote has buttons for the functions, it's not really a discrete code, is it... heh

I know.. nitpicking again...

Ahi

Not ‘nitpicking’, but after checking the “2004 AV World dictionary” , the actual source from where the discrete codes originated were not mentioned.

Dave

where do I get my hands on the 2004 AV dictionary?

You didnt get your Email Copy of 2004 AV Dictionaty yet? Thats odd.. I got mine almost 2 weeks ago.. you ARE on the mailing list yes?

ANyway...

Discrete Code: Any Infra-Red code that sets a device to a Known State.

You may be getting confused with

Discreate Code: Any Infra-Red code not provided on a manufacturers remote that sets a device to a Known State.

Impaqt is totally correct about KNOWN STATE but not because the state is known (I vote for Iowa), but because only one result occurs when the command is issued. Of course, that means that you get a Known State. But the issue is ONE result, not two as you get from a toggle or up to six as you get from a lot of circular TV input commands. Or some receiver DSP commands.

Here's what I wrote in response to Ahl before seeing the last couple of responses:
I guess all this time I thought discrete codes were codes that did one discrete thing. So, what does "discrete" mean? It actually meant something before it was applied to remote commands. The first two definitions for "discrete" at dictionary.com are

1.Constituting a separate thing. See Synonyms at distinct.
2.Consisting of unconnected distinct parts.

So, for instance, the OFF command as DISTINCT or SEPARATE from the ON command. Not one command that toggles between two functions, but two commands, ON and OFF, that in their operation CONSIST OF UNCONNECTED DISTINCT PARTS (i.e. different buttons to push.)


Where is that defined?

I agree to the extent that the reason we are searching for the discrete codes is that the machine will respond to them but the factory remotes do not have them. Therefore we want them. But NOT being on the remote is not a criterion for being discrete. You are saying that if a unit has separate ON and OFF commands, they are discrete if they are not on the remote, but they are not discrete if they are on the remote. How the heck can the definition of a command change depending on how they build the thing that activates it?


Well, yes. It is.

Lord, I hate to do more on this, but


Did you misspell "discrete" the second time, or is there some new word for me to learn? And if it is the same word, then of course he is confusing it, because the two definitions are totally at odds with one another! Who came up with the second definition?

Perhaps the confusion lies with the similarity of the words discrete (separate) and discreet (hidden).

Let's just make it simple and say that the Hitachi remote has discrete codes but not discreet codes. :)

You might find the following site of interest. It sells devices tht will allow you to use IR codes and then converts that to RS232 codes for multiple different plasma screens. This allows you to have discrete codes for most plasma screens without buying a dedicated RS232 controller like AMX. Check it out:

[Link: goremote.com]


[Link: goremote.com]


Irv