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Post 16 made on Thursday May 22, 2003 at 12:06
Hector
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You shouldn't think tax cuts as wealth redistribution but the "undoing" of wealth redistribution.

Sorry if I sound to much like a "Hayek" capitalist but if somebody pays me $100 for digging a hole, why should I have to give more than I have to people that didn’t help me dig that hole.

Post 17 made on Thursday May 22, 2003 at 12:23
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What is this a Tax forum? :)
Post 18 made on Thursday May 22, 2003 at 13:06
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but to get it out of the government (they spend too much).

yeah, we all know they only spend what they have, so giving less means they spend less. We all know they don't have deficits or debts.
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Post 19 made on Thursday May 22, 2003 at 17:43
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A CEDIA certified installer level 2 with experience as "Munson" has, should easily be making $25-30 per hour in metropolitan areas. Figure your company charging an average of $100-125 an hour on installations and $150-200 programming. If the company let you use a vehicle with full expenses and insurance coverage, and provides the employee with benefits, paid medical and vacation, I think the employee with that qualification should be making about 20% of what the company charges the customer.
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Post 20 made on Thursday May 22, 2003 at 19:53
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That is a good slide rule, to put it as a percentage of the amount charged to the customer. I make 25% of what we charge the customer, however we don't charge any where near $100 an hour.
Post 21 made on Friday May 23, 2003 at 16:28
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the SOLE purpose of tax cuts is the redistribution of wealth.

not to turn this into a tax forum emdawgz, but what are you smoking? Do you really still believe in "redistribution of wealth"? I manage to get up everyday and put in a full day's work, I don't see how this makes me "advantaged". If you really do believe in the redistribution of wealth their are plenty of countries full of bed wetting whiners that will oblige. Try Canada.
How hard can this be?
Post 22 made on Friday May 23, 2003 at 16:38
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Thon, I guess you have never been up here
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Post 23 made on Saturday May 24, 2003 at 08:21
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Do you guys really think its a good idea publishing what everyone makes and what you charge in a public forum? Customers can read this when you talk about charging $900 for a plasma install and wire for an hours work...I hope you aren't wall mounting these units...because if you can wall mount a plasma and wire it in an hour it must look half assed. Don't you fish your wires in the wall? Wire and mount a hidden outlet behind the screen? Now that's worth $900. If you are charging $900 for an hour plasma install, you aren't "making out", your screwing your clients and giving a bad name for the rest of us.
Post 24 made on Tuesday May 27, 2003 at 11:11
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Heres why hector.... Because the guy you paid $100. to to dig drove to your site on a public road. The electricity and water he used while there were brought there thru public utilities. I could go on. This "American Way", a capitalistic society is built on Infrastructure built and maintained by TAX DOLLARS.
Is there waste, yes. Is there abuse yes. But i would rather pay my tax dollars to support this system, than to rely on "the free market system" to provide the infrastructure we all need.
Post 25 made on Tuesday May 27, 2003 at 11:27
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On 05/23/03 16:28, Thon said...
the SOLE purpose of tax cuts is the redistribution
of wealth.

not to turn this into a tax forum emdawgz, but
what are you smoking? Do you really still believe
in "redistribution of wealth"? I manage to get
up everyday and put in a full day's work, I don't
see how this makes me "advantaged". If you really
do believe in the redistribution of wealth their
are plenty of countries full of bed wetting whiners
that will oblige. Try Canada.

Trying to influence Tax cuts is about "redistributing wealth". "Trickle Down" economics is redistributing wealth. Dont buy into the republican mantras about "Liberals Stealing your hard earned money" The biggest welfare scam there is is being run by Large Corporations dodging their Civic obligations to pay their fair share in taxes! I wont even deal with your ideas about our northern neighbors!
Post 26 made on Wednesday May 28, 2003 at 13:31
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I’m not advocating the extreme point of view that “government” and “taxes” are always a bad thing - that is not democracy that is anarchy. Your point is absolutely correct that private interest does rely on heavily the public infrastructure. I can think of many other services a civilized society can not exist without. Roads, police, national defense, some environment laws, monetary policies and civil rights are just a few examples were government has a very important role to play. I have no problem paying my fair share of taxes for those servers.

The point I was making was that too much of anything is bad thing. This might be a rhetorical question - Why should I have to pay for anti-smoking commercials at the same time I have to subsidize large tobacco farmers?

There are other examples were our tax policy does not make sense or might even be offensive to some.

Taxes should be a way to provided for the common good and help those that really help. The first option for the rest of us should be to try to make it on our own and not become a burden on society. I believe your reward should be in direct proportion to your hard work and god given talents. Welfare should not the first option - for corporations or individuals!

Post 27 made on Wednesday May 28, 2003 at 20:51
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------Can you say..............OFF TOPIC????????????
Post 28 made on Thursday May 29, 2003 at 10:19
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------Can you say..............OFF TOPIC????????????

Can you say "Topic changed?"

emdawgz....I don't even know where to start with you. You seem to imply that "tax cuts" means no taxes. We are taxed over 50% by all the different government entities out there. It's way to much. A business better not be paying more than 15% for it's administration or it would go out of business. Reducing taxes by a small percentage does not mean that roads are going to crumble and bridges are going to fall down. Get a grip. As far as your asertions about corporations go, maybe you should supply some facts. I have yet to see evidence of tax fraud on any balance sheet I have seen so far. Shareholder fraud, yes. Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Or are you one of these people that vaguely feels that you are taken advantage of and the "good" people in gaovernment are going to take care of you.
How hard can this be?
Post 29 made on Thursday May 29, 2003 at 10:34
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Trying to influence Tax cuts is about "redistributing
wealth". "Trickle Down" economics is redistributing
wealth.

Just for the record, it's NOT the government's money. A tax cut is not giving money to somebody, it IS letting them keep what was there's to begin with. When people are buying goods and services the economy is stimulated. When you simply hand out money it is retarded. Comprende?
How hard can this be?
Post 30 made on Thursday May 29, 2003 at 13:52
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On 05/29/03 10:34, Thon said...
Just for the record, it's NOT the government's
money. A tax cut is not giving money to somebody,
it IS letting them keep what was there's to begin
with. When people are buying goods and services
the economy is stimulated. When you simply hand
out money it is retarded. Comprende?

I do understand but it is redistribution. When the government gives "Price Support" To corporate farmers like Monsanto, and ADM and Gallo Bro's or RJR...Sorry Kraft Foods. It is redistribution. The Repubs say is ok to give money to their "corporate friends" but if your a working person who lost your job, your'e now a "welfare queen" or king stealing money from a government program.
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