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Post 1 made on Wednesday January 16, 2008 at 23:17
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I just took and passed the Level 2 certification test. I encountered few errors on some of the question's answers worth mentioning here:

1-"Controling the Escient music server, what equipment do I need?"

--Philips answer; "(TSU9600) / WIRELESS ACCESS POINT/ Escient music server."

My answer (wron, acording to them) ; "(TSU9600) / ROUTER / Escient Music server."

Please, can any one on that department, who follow this site, revise the Level 2 test and verify the correct answers?
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Post 2 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 00:17
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its a sticky point All routers are not WAP's. The issue is that a wireless access point is needed, a router is not. If all you had is what you stated in your answer, and the Router was not also also a wireless access point then your configuration would not work.
Post 3 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 10:24
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I always have trouble with multiple choice tests.

I'm a stickler on definitions and in school I regularly encountered three wrong answers and "all of the above" because the test preparer was trying to make a subtile point, but lost the big picture in the attempt.
OP | Post 4 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 10:50
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"its a sticky point All routers are not WAP's. The issue is that a wireless access point is needed, a router is not. If all you had is what you stated in your answer, and the Router was not also also a wireless access point then your configuration would not work."


I hope you were not involved in the development of the test, since your name implies dedication and commitment to the forum and I respect you because of that. But the test look like was rush in without been revised and have many inconsistencies with the Philips Pronto Professional instruction manuals. It appears like bad translation into English from a foreigner. And some time does not make sense.

Now, the reply to your response; one way or another you must have a Router (wire or wireless preferably), or a Hop switch in your system in order for the Escient Music management, the Wireless Access Point, the internet connection, and your computer to link together (you need at least 3 Ethernet ports to accomplish that task).

[Link: computer.howstuffworks.com]

Then, you might connect the TSU9600 to the Network using the Wireless Router (preferible) or a Wireless Access Point (WAP) if and only if: the Router is a non wireless, or the signal from the Router is not strong and persistant. But you should remember that an Wireless Access Point by default do not provide Ethernet connectivity (they only offer 1 port to connect to the network), "the WAP functions as a gateway for clients to access the wired network” and they have to be wire into the Network.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org]

What's more, Escient require the need for a Router in all IP control for their products (see manuals).

Although, Philips has managed to improve their remotes and services since the beginning, I keep stressing the need for more Quality control, research, and development. The test is a mere example of it. I know they monitor this site religiously in hope to find a cure for bugs, I just wan to drop my 2cent donation in anticipation for them stop user (or abused), and installers frustrations.

Thanks
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Post 5 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 15:44
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Removed. Duplicate post.

Last edited by Lyndel McGee on January 17, 2008 16:55.
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Post 6 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 15:44
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avtech,

Everyone has the right to their opinions and I too, thought the material as well as the test needed some "spiffing" up.

However, while you are on this subject...

Are you sure your post was not written by a "foreigner" who has trouble translating into English? I spot many incomplete sentences or missed words.

direct from your post above but with corrections...

But the test looks like it was rushed in without having been revised and has many inconsistencies with the Philips Pronto Professional instruction manuals. It appears like bad translation into English from a foreigner and some times does not make sense.

LOL, even I need an edit now and then.

Last edited by Lyndel McGee on January 17, 2008 16:53.
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OP | Post 7 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 17:16
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On January 17, 2008 at 15:44, Lyndel McGee said...
Removed. Duplicate post.

Ooooppps! It seen like the glove fit!
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OP | Post 8 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 17:49
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On January 17, 2008 at 15:44, Lyndel McGee said...
avtech,

Everyone has the right to their opinions and I too, thought
the material as well as the test needed some "spiffing"
up.

I am glad you agree!
However, while you are on this subject...

Are you sure your post was not written by a "foreigner"
who has trouble translating into English? I spot many
incomplete sentences or missed words.


direct from your post above but with corrections...

But the test looks like it was rushed
in without having been revised and has
many inconsistencies with the Philips Pronto Professional
instruction manuals. It appears like bad translation into
English from a foreigner and some times
does not make sense.

LOL, even I need an edit now and then.

Well, lest bring it to Mr. Tonks; we may need some kind of spell check utility!

In any event, I am confident that YOU got my point (Not spelling required)!

Nothing personal, but now that I got your attention; and regardless of how you feel about my spelling (or subject post); I am not the one giving the "Level 2 Certification test." If you are so compel, instead of take it on me, why don't you grasp the opportunity to weight on the subject? If not, you should step aside and let others lead real arguments!
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Post 9 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 18:12
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Dude,

Lighten up. All in fun.
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Post 10 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 18:38
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avtech,

As Lyndel said you do really need to lighten up.

If you want to be picked on let us know and I am sure many of us can assist you in achieving that goal.

As my daddy used to say:

If you can't do, teach; if you can't teach, criticize.

And no, I have nothing to do with the Philips Certification tests, I don't even have access to their professional area on their forum/web site, ergo I am not "certified".
OP | Post 11 made on Thursday January 17, 2008 at 20:41
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On January 17, 2008 at 18:38, Barry Gordon said...
avtech,

As Lyndel said you do really need to lighten up.


If you want to be picked on let us know and I am sure
many of us can assist you in achieving that goal.

As my daddy used to say:

If you can't do, teach; if you can't teach, criticize.

And no, I have nothing to do with the Philips Certification
tests, I don't even have access to their professional
area on their forum/web site, ergo I am not "certified".

As I said before:

"If you are so compel, instead of take it on me, why don't you grasp the opportunity to weight on the subject? If not, you should step aside and let others lead real arguments!"

Now, Lest chat about the Level 2 Certification test obscure snag that may fail, unfairly, many of the participants including the ones who frequents this site for your advice. Please?
Live Long and Prosper!
Post 12 made on Friday January 18, 2008 at 01:20
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Well, here's the interesting thing. There's no timer on the exam and you can have all 4 PDFs open and search for the answer if you so desire while taking the test.

Some might call this cheating but some may view it as an Open Book test. Personally, due to the quirkiness of some of the questions, I had to go through it 2 times.
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OP | Post 13 made on Friday January 18, 2008 at 10:12
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I believe that even with the Manuals open you will find some of the questions/answers contradictory. I remember one instance, besides the example mentioned that refer to the Escient server integration, the test consider 35V. as the correct voltage sensor, while the manual clearly state "no more than 30Volt."

I already see some good fellows enduring bad result. And, I assure you, some of them have programmed the remote they own without any inconvenience, and follow the news in this site for frequents updates.


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