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TSU9600 Undermined by Philips, again!
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Post 1 made on Sunday January 7, 2007 at 10:48
avtech
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After reading many threads requesting 2-way communication between the TSU9600 and Windows MCE, I feel Philips is disregarding everyone call as lose cause. Mean time they are putting all their R & D into a more profitable cause for Microsoft Windows Vista remote control:

[Link: remoteshoppe.com]

Can any one explain to me, how can Philips have so many resources into the remote control business fail to come up with a MCE interface for their "made by installer for installer" TSU9600? Especially while working hand to hand with Microsoft in a parallel projects.
Live Long and Prosper!
Post 2 made on Sunday January 7, 2007 at 12:28
Lyndel McGee
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avtech, with only 23 posts, I'll cut you some slack.

You are entitled to your opinion.

Philips, for a long time has had several groups that work on remote controls. The team out of Belgium works on the Pronto remotes. There are other teams that develop the so-called out of the box universal remotes. Unfortunately, the groups do not appear to communicate with one another but the team in Belgium does appear to be extremely interested in followthrough and a achieving a solid foundation for next generation remotes.
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OP | Post 3 made on Monday January 8, 2007 at 17:47
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On January 7, 2007 at 12:28, Lyndel McGee said...
avtech, with only 23 posts, I'll cut you some slack.

Please do not take this personal! Is Philips who I am barking to!

I avoid posting one and two lines on threads like many others do; I do not have the time or interest to go over every threat and posting reply on them just to get some kind of seniority on this and any other Forum. I post with intention of help others, or by, neutrally, encourage positive criticism of companies who fail to do their job. By the way, I do not get any kind of inceptives (loan equipment, software, favors) or pay.

You should look into the time of registration, at least, to get an idea about the members. I do make my living programming remotes (including all the remotes mentioned in this site and many more not mentioned) and have over 12 years experience in custom audio / video.


You are entitled to your opinion.

Of course, I am!

I hope others opinions count; other wise, what good is the Forum!
Live Long and Prosper!
Post 4 made on Monday January 8, 2007 at 20:15
Lyndel McGee
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On January 8, 2007 at 17:47, avtech said...
I avoid posting one and two lines on threads like many
others do;

Accusation? I sure hope not.

You should look into the time of registration, at least,
to get an idea about the members. I do make my living
programming remotes (including all the remotes mentioned
in this site and many more not mentioned) and have over
12 years experience in custom audio / video.

I did look at the date you joined. However, often see that there are many others who join when they get their first remote and then go silent for 3 years only to come back with a post. That's why I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

I agree that constructive criticism is good. I was just not sure if you realized that Philips is a big company and many different teams. The team that is doing this new remote is most likely not the team we deal with in this forum. This team hails from the Pronto Research group and has a sub domain "pronto.philips.com"

No harm, no foul.
Lyndel McGee
Philips Pronto Addict/Beta Tester
OP | Post 5 made on Monday January 8, 2007 at 21:05
avtech
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|On 1168305309, Lyndel McGee said...
Accusation? I sure hope not.

I did look at the date you joined. However, often see
that there are many others who join when they get their
first remote and then go silent for 3 years only to come
back with a post. That's why I gave you the benefit of
the doubt.

I am sorry not to be an avid one line posting member, I let the others be the judge!

In the mean time, Just to make things clear:

I started programming remotes when Marantz came up with the RC-2000 (made by Philips for them). I know and have work with ALL the Prontos remotes up to date.
I work with others remotes way more elaborate than even the TSU9600 (in fact Philips just stating to scratching the surface of those others remotes).
I agree that constructive criticism is good. I was just
not sure if you realized that Philips is a big company
and many different teams. The team that is doing this
new remote is most likely not the team we deal with in
this forum. This team hails from the Pronto Research
group and has a sub domain "pronto.philips.com"

I am still not sure why you get so defensive about Philips and their remote business. The complain is directed at Philips inability to merge their departments to work as "TEAM" (no pun intended) and bring well deserve features in their STU9600 remote. In fact, this feature was mentioned in the latest CEDIA seminar, and in the TSU9600 training as the next add on. If in doubt, Just search this forum! You must know how many members are asking for MCE 2-way control.

If we don't bring these issues up, they will get way like they did with the now demised Philips iPronto TSi6400 promises.
No harm, no foul.

NONE TAKEN!
Live Long and Prosper!
Post 6 made on Monday January 8, 2007 at 22:35
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So far, no one has come up with MCE 2-way control, as far as I know. None of the top 5 remote manufacturers has this currently and while many may be thinking/working on, no one has it available at this time.

In my opinion, it is a future feature most would like to have but at the present time, everyone is probably waiting to see what is announced at CES US (this week).

Two-way control is still a bit of a future feature, so I suggest you hang out and see who comes out with it first.

Dave
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OP | Post 7 made on Tuesday January 9, 2007 at 05:54
avtech
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On January 8, 2007 at 22:35, ddarche said...
So far, no one has come up with MCE 2-way control, as
far as I know. None of the top 5 remote manufacturers
has this currently and while many may be thinking/working
on, no one has it available at this time.

In my opinion, it is a future feature most would like
to have but at the present time, everyone is probably
waiting to see what is announced at CES US (this week).

Two-way control is still a bit of a future feature, so
I suggest you hang out and see who comes out with it first.

Dave

Please, check your sources!

Currently, AMX @ Crestron are two of the top cream remotes who have devoted applications for MCE control. Read on:

http://www.autonomichome.com/

Others have their Windows XP server 2-way control (including, ironically, the own Philips RC9800i) using UPNP technology (by the way Philips is one of the creators of the UPNP).

[Link: homecontrol.philips.com]

Add to the list Universal Electronic Nevo SL. This TSU9600's competitor uses the same WIFI technology and is been market as "Nevo Media" control:

[Link: mynevo.com]

AGAING, I just don't see why the Philips TSU9600 can come up with their own PC control!
Live Long and Prosper!
Post 8 made on Tuesday January 9, 2007 at 11:29
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Maybe we differ on the term "2-way control." If what you mean by 2-way control is to choose media content, on the screen of the remote, then yes. Others have done it including the Nevo SL and the Philips RC9800i.

Most of the discussions on these forums regarding two way control typically does not mean media control. They typically mean the remote is capable of knowing the state of the equipment and receiving back confirmation of a control task, beyond media triggering, etc.

Yes, AMX and Crestron, of course but I don't count them in the top 5 remote companies. I meant handheld systems like Philips, RTI, URC, Nevo, etc.

Of course AMX and Crestron will do just about anything but you are also talking about a control system in the $5000 - $100,000.

I think Philips will open up the 9600 in the near future or at least expand the offerings to more media devices. If they don't then they will not hold any competitive edge against the larger control systems.

Dave
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OP | Post 9 made on Tuesday January 9, 2007 at 22:20
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On January 9, 2007 at 11:29, ddarche said...
Maybe we differ on the term "2-way control." If what you
mean by 2-way control is to choose media content, on the
screen of the remote, then yes. Others have done it including
the Nevo SL and the Philips RC9800i.

Finally we have achieved a breakthrough!
Most of the discussions on these forums regarding two
way control typically does not mean media control. They
typically mean the remote is capable of knowing the state
of the equipment and receiving back confirmation of a
control task, beyond media triggering, etc.

2 way control means the remote will provided "Feedback" about the source playing; been media metadata, source or input status are all considering 2-way control. That means the remote not only capable to send commands to the sources, but is also capable to received status from them as well.

Yes, AMX and Crestron, of course but I don't count them
in the top 5 remote companies. I meant handheld systems
like Philips, RTI, URC, Nevo, etc.

Based on the above premises the Philips RC9800i and the UEI Nevo SL are consider 2-way remotes.

Of course AMX and Crestron will do just about anything
but you are also talking about a control system in the
$5000 - $100,000.

Those were arguments from the pass! Crestron have an entry level systems that provided many of the same features from their top of line systems; do some research about the Adagio system and their entry level processors and touch panels (in fact the own UEI Nevo SL is now sold by Crestron as the TPMC-4X entry level "2-way" hand held touch panel).

[Link: crestron.com]


I think Philips will open up the 9600 in the near future
or at least expand the offerings to more media devices.
If they don't then they will not hold any competitive
edge against the larger control systems.

I guess were are finally in agreement, this is Philips opportunity to capitalize on their R & D departments to make the TSU9600 competitive with the big players in the remote control business. I just hope some others users star weighting in now that Philips is testing the water and getting feedback from this site.
Live Long and Prosper!


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