Thanks Peter,I will try PEP 2,it is a slow DL probably a lot of people DL' .Also a funny thing,I jumped over to the Beyonwiz forums to have a look at the codes and could not access the page said I was banned form that forum.I have been there and read posts although I do not ever remember creating an account/the page asked to contact the admi or moderator.Although if I can not access I can not contact them/any suggestions