I haven't seen that one yet. That does suck that they are starting that though. I do agree with you about the installers. Most people don't understand that there is a huge difference between a free installation, and a nice installation...What I was getting at though is that at least DirecTV hasn't gone and tried to make cable look worse than it is (at least in my eyes), they've just said stuff like "Why pay more for less?" which I believe is still true. Out here DTV is still cheaper than cable. Another thing that got my goat on that cable comercial was when they said "And with cable, there is no need to buy an expensive reciever!" You can get a pretty damn good Sat reciever with an optical output starting at $150. I think thats pretty cheap since the cable company charges you $400 if you break their motorola box. Plus you you can choose what you want, you aren't stuck with one model...