Thanks ontariocraig, appreciate your response. kind of a unique situation where i live. I was interested in the antenna because of its ability to be put out of sight out of mind LOL. Don't have much of a leg to stand on here LOL. The dragon keeps breathing fire down my neck. LOL. But to be honest if the antenna goes on sale i'll probably buy so i can get wet for the first time. Already had some fun building my first antenna out of carboard foil and some coat hanger where I live i still managed to pick up 6 digital and about 8 analog.