Hi, thanks for your advice and help guys
I picked up a 4228 and a 7777 amp.
results off a 8' deck out back pointed to the cities Toronto and Grand Island NY, Buffalo and kitchener, I have a a good clear shot at everything except Kit.

Analog
6- ok but fuzzy
9- ok but fuzzy
11 -perfect
13 -good
17 -good
19 -ok but fuzzy
23 -good
25 -not good
26 -not so good
29 -ok but fuzzy
31 -great
36 -perfect
40 -not good
41 -not good
47 -not good
56 -ok but fuzzy
61 -not good

Digital locks on
15.1 Great 40%
23.1 Great to so-so 39%
36.1 Great 60%
43.1,2,3 Great 45-55%
I am inpressed with the quality of WNED, shaper than ANYTHING on rogers-- that I hope to cancel soon.

Pre-amp definatly helps as I get no real good signals without it. Thats it so far, I have tried at 8' off bare ground and at about 13' (from ground) off a second story deck but have the aluminum eve to contend with. About the same results anywise.
When it gets warmer I hope to put it above the eve with a rotator about 25' from ground.
I still want to pull in the ABC, NBC and CBS from buffalo, not sure at this stage if it wil be possible.