When you say separates sound better then any receiver are you also of the opinion that "lower" end separates sound better then a "higher" end receiver? Also I was under the impression that an Receiver such as the Denon 5800 was basically separates "in the same box" is this the case?

One last comment, I did get the 3802! I love it so far and got a GREAT deal on it, under $1000 with tax and all from a local dealer. Thank you all for the help.

Don