I've seen and operated both remotes at the CEDIA show. The Harmon has the software now but is slower (WinCE) and has inferior backlighting. As far as the HK and Madrigal being the same, yes, they are the same. The difference is that Madriagl dealers get a different set of software(not for general release) that allows them to save multiple configs for their customers. Seems to me to a bit silly as it's probably fairly easy to have multiple data files and just change the listing in the INI files. I will be getting some of both the HK's and the Madrigals in the next week-10 days and will advise what I find if you're interested.