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Post 1 made on Friday September 8, 2006 at 00:59
peabody67gto
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Hello,
I cannot find the code for my Coby DVD recorder to enter into my Sony, RCA, and Viewsat universal remotes so I am looking into buying a learning remote. How do they work? Do you just put the remote you want it to learn from and point it to the learning remote? Do you have to press each button on the remote and then press the buton on the learning remote to program it? Will it be able to control all the features you want it to learn? Any brand better or is easy to program?

THANKS
Post 2 made on Friday September 8, 2006 at 01:11
edmund
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To learn you put the remotes head to head and teach each and every key one at a time.

As I posted in your other thread the current line of One-for-all remotes like urc-6820, 8820, 10820, and 6690 list 7 codes for Coby dvd players. Even if none work your model, they're all learning remotes that can learn upto about 75 commands each.
Post 3 made on Friday September 8, 2006 at 13:25
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On September 8, 2006 at 00:59, peabody67gto said...
I cannot find the code for my Coby DVD recorder to enter
into my Sony, RCA, and Viewsat universal remotes

None of those are learning remotes?

Do you have
to press each button on the remote and then press the
buton on the learning remote to program it?

Yes, but learning remote button before original remote button. In more detail:

1) Follow instructions from the learning remote's manual to put it in learning mode.
2) Press a button on the learning remote to start learning
3) Press a button on the original remote.
4) Quicky go to step 2 for another button. Any long pause makes it time out of learning mode, in which case go back to step 1 to learn more buttons.

Will it be
able to control all the features you want it to learn?
Any brand better or is easy to program?

Certainly the models Edmund suggested have enough learning memory for all the functions of one DVD device (even if you want lots of advanced functions many other people never use).

But if you want to program your 6, 8 or 10 device remote to actually control that many devices, you better find built-in setup codes for the majority of devices. There is one pool of learning memory for all devices together (same size pool on the 6, 8 and 10 device models) and it isn't enough to provide reasonable support for 6 devices by learning alone.

Those models have a great library of built-in setup codes (better than other brands or other models of OneForAll) so you probably won't have many other devices that don't have built-in setup codes.

I don't really know how its learning capacity and ease compares to other brands of learning universal. It compares well to other models of OneForAll.
Post 4 made on Friday September 8, 2006 at 14:09
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EDIT: On first post, I had messed up my analysis (simple math error) and thought 179 of these signals fit, when in fact it is 113. I have corrected the text below.

On September 8, 2006 at 01:11, edmund said...
One-for-all remotes like urc-6820, 8820, 10820, and 6690
list 7 codes for Coby dvd players. Even if none work your
model, they're all learning remotes that can learn upto
about 75 commands each.

I was curious myself and haven't done a learning capacity test in a long time, so I just did such a test.

The capacity for storing learned signals varies a lot depending on the IR protocol used by the original remote and on how clean each learn is.

I learned ten of the Coby DVD signals into my 8820 (from my Sony AX4000 after creating a preset.txt file based on the JP1 upgrade).

I used my JP1.2 cable to read the result back to the PC and noticed all ten signals (on my first try) were perfectly clean learns, which use the minimum possible learned memory per signal for the IR protocol used by Coby DVDs.

Based on the memory used by ten signals, I can compute that my 8820 has room for 113 signals of this type if every one of them was learned as perfectly as these.

This IR protocol is quite common and its storage requirements are around average. There are protocols that take more than three times as much storage per signal as these, so there are protocols for which the 8820 doesn't have room for near 75 signals. But I think that 75 is a generally conservative figure (for total number of signals these remotes can store in learned form). You'll find many more protocols for which above 75 fit than you'll find protocols for which below 75 fit.

Most devices have over 20 functions that you'd like your universal remote to support, so even 113 signals isn't enough for six devices. But given several of your devices supported by built-in setup codes the 6820/8820/10820 remotes probably have enough learning capacity.

If you get a JP1.2 cable for your 6820/8820/10820, you can convert learned signals to upgrades and have capacity for every function of ten devices, even if none of them match built-in setup codes. But as described above, capacity probably won't be the reason you may want that cable. It also lets you customize the remote's behavior more than you could otherwise.

Last edited by johnsfine on September 8, 2006 16:54.
OP | Post 5 made on Friday September 8, 2006 at 16:12
peabody67gto
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WOW - This is a great forum.
Thanks for the info.
Michael
Post 6 made on Monday October 2, 2006 at 16:42
GhostX
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I have a lasonic dvd-1100 and I can't seem to find a code to program this remote either.
Post 7 made on Monday October 9, 2006 at 21:00
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or not
Post 8 made on Wednesday September 24, 2014 at 08:33
madmadworld
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found this old thread

need a learning remote that can learn 16> keys/commands.

went over to one for all looked at all remotes then clicked the box (on left) "Copy functions from my old remote" came back "Sorry, no matches found"
they quit making learning remotes ?

thanks for reading
Post 9 made on Wednesday September 24, 2014 at 19:52
edmund
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With a learning remote, you don't need it to still be production, just that it needs enough memory for your gear. True learning remotes like Sony rm-vl600 or URC RF10 have enough memory to teach a command to each key in every device without running out of memory. check ebay and amazon for used remotes.
Post 10 made on Sunday September 28, 2014 at 06:43
madmadworld
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thanks edmund for the help/info. trying to cover my bases bought a 4x4 hdmi switching box with a remote i was told that eats batteries.
had/have a couple of these remotes back in the last century. they were iffy back then.
thanks again from the man cave gone wild. lol


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