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Post 1 made on Friday January 8, 2010 at 21:13
Groovit
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So... I an a long time RTI user, first time implementing zigbee product.

I have the time to bench test this weekend (ZRP6, T3v2.4, Denon 3810CI). Listed below are a few observations and i am curious who may have comments or suggestions.

1) The volume status graph must have the text "Muted" programmed into the existing module. It seems incorrectly programmed and appears when not muted and goes away when muted. I tried to program the text variable to fix this but no go.

2) I utilize many nested system macros and i found that if nothing is programmed in one of the nested macros (i had yet to define the parameters of a power up delay macro) the entire macro will stop at that empty system macro. I had a difficult time diagnosing the issue of why my macros were not working.

3) The software is glitchy... it is indicating one driver on the driver tab of the side bar but showing the commands of another.

4) ...seems like a c#@p shoot reconnecting the T3v to the zigbee after an upload. I can not get a handle on if it will take 2 seconds or 10 minutes and I sometimes have to go to the debug screen or unplug and plug the zigbee cable.
Post 2 made on Saturday January 9, 2010 at 16:34
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1. Can't speak on the Denon drivers, haven't used them.

2. Not sure what your asking... I've found that depending on how you set up the macroes, you can't use a multipage "Please wait" screen because the remote waits for a response back from the XP8 that the macro has finished. THEN it moves to the next step which is usually the first page flip. This is the case when using the source buttons in "stand alone".

3. I've seen this issue as well, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the software glitchy... I've done 5 or 6 systems and seen what you are discribing once.

4. Is your ZM24 anywhere near a WAP? I had that problem several times before we realized that WAPs cause issues when placed near a ZM24.
Post 3 made on Saturday January 9, 2010 at 16:35
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On January 8, 2010 at 21:13, Groovit said...
4) ...seems like a c#@p shoot reconnecting the T3v to the zigbee after an upload. I can not get a handle on if it will take 2 seconds or 10 minutes and I sometimes have to go to the debug screen or unplug and plug the zigbee cable.

Are you using the updated 2.1 firmware for the T3-V?  The move from 2.0 to 2.1 was supposed to help with exactly this problem.  I did notice an improvement on some T2-C's I updated.
Post 4 made on Saturday January 9, 2010 at 19:14
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On January 8, 2010 at 21:13, Groovit said...
1) The volume status graph must have the text "Muted" programmed into the existing module. It seems incorrectly programmed and appears when not muted and goes away when muted. I tried to program the text variable to fix this but no go.

Not sure if i clearly got what you are doing, but here are some hints using the Denon driver
First check what version you use: actual version is 1.1
Which variable of Muting are you using? General, Zone2, Zone3?
All work fine in V1.1
i've seen that the start (default shown in ID programing mode) text differs. General shows unmuted and Zone2 shows muted, but running mode is okay.
Nevertheless you can change/customize the text to your own and setup a workaround if needed (in the case muted it's not needed)
OP | Post 5 made on Saturday January 9, 2010 at 21:10
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On January 9, 2010 at 16:34, AndyM said...
2. Not sure what your asking... I've found that depending on how you set up the macroes, you can't use a multipage "Please wait" screen because the remote waits for a response back from the XP8 that the macro has finished. THEN it moves to the next step which is usually the first page flip. This is the case when using the source buttons in "stand alone".

This was just an observation. I had a sequence of nested system macros in side another system macro of which one did not have an event yet programmed (It was a power up delay that had not yet been defined). The macros on one way systems would pass that nested macro over and move onto the next step. The two way system stopped at the unprogrammed nested macro and would not continue. Once I discovered this and resolved the issue, I found that multiple page flips initiated from the processor worked great.

3. I've seen this issue as well, but I wouldn't go so far as to call the software glitchy... I've done 5 or 6 systems and seen what you are discribing once.

Perhaps a restart of the software will do the trick.

4. Is your ZM24 anywhere near a WAP? I had that problem several times before we realized that WAPs cause issues when placed near a ZM24.

I will note that comment and experiment... should have seen that one as a potential issue.
OP | Post 6 made on Saturday January 9, 2010 at 21:13
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On January 9, 2010 at 19:14, stikx said...
Not sure if i clearly got what you are doing, but here are some hints using the Denon driver
First check what version you use: actual version is 1.1
Which variable of Muting are you using? General, Zone2, Zone3?
All work fine in V1.1
i've seen that the start (default shown in ID programing mode) text differs. General shows unmuted and Zone2 shows muted, but running mode is okay.
Nevertheless you can change/customize the text to your own and setup a workaround if needed (in the case muted it's not needed)

To clarify... with the system live the default text on the volume graph for the Denon receiver shows nothing when muted and "Muted" when the mute is off. I did not find a place to change the default text variable and when I added a text variable, the default text would display simultaneously.
OP | Post 7 made on Saturday January 9, 2010 at 21:44
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On January 9, 2010 at 21:13, Groovit said...
To clarify... with the system live the default text on the volume graph for the Denon receiver shows nothing when muted and "Muted" when the mute is off. I did not find a place to change the default text variable and when I added a text variable, the default text would display simultaneously.

I resolved the issue! When I dragged in the graph data source function onto the volume bar it seems that a transparent button with a reversed logic variable was created behind the volume bar. I found it by accident after i clicked outside of the volume bar field. Odd???
Post 8 made on Sunday January 10, 2010 at 11:24
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On January 9, 2010 at 21:44, Groovit said...
I resolved the issue! When I dragged in the graph data source function onto the volume bar it seems that a transparent button with a reversed logic variable was created behind the volume bar. I found it by accident after i clicked outside of the volume bar field. Odd???

Good to read it's solved!

I have to correct my first response to avoid confusion. You use ZRP6 (and not XP8) and in that case the actual driver version is 1.0. Sorry, too late and tired. I have no experience with this combination, maybe this driver could have issues to mute variables.
OP | Post 9 made on Sunday January 10, 2010 at 17:35
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Here is a new observation...

I set a source selection button to standalone mode and created a button state variable to show the reversed state based on the setting of a local flag (flagged input status). The macro on that button clears all of the other local source flags and then sets the flag that the state variable is testing for before executing a system macro containing page flips (please wait and the the device control page) . The reversed state never shows when I return to that page. I also placed a test button that sets the local source flag and the button still does not respond. It does, however, seem to work in the simulator.

Am I missing something regarding the state variable as it applies to local flags or is this not working the way it should?

Again... T3v2.4 and ZRP6.
Post 10 made on Monday January 11, 2010 at 05:29
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As far as i know you can't use local flags as state variables in standalone mode. However, now you can use local flags as state variables if you use 2-way and that's the way it works.
OP | Post 11 made on Monday January 11, 2010 at 23:01
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On January 11, 2010 at 05:29, stikx said...
As far as i know you can't use local flags as state variables in standalone mode. However, now you can use local flags as state variables if you use 2-way and that's the way it works.

Odd... I will look again but it only gives the option to base state variable on the remote's local flags only and you can only use the remote's flags when in standalone mode. Perhaps I missed something???
Post 12 made on Tuesday January 12, 2010 at 14:25
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On January 11, 2010 at 23:01, Groovit said...
Odd... I will look again but it only gives the option to base state variable on the remote's local flags only and you can only use the remote's flags when in standalone mode. Perhaps I missed something???

I believe you CAN do this, but it has to be a 2-way capable remote IIRC.
Post 13 made on Tuesday January 12, 2010 at 19:30
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On January 11, 2010 at 23:01, Groovit said...
Odd... I will look again but it only gives the option to base state variable on the remote's local flags only and you can only use the remote's flags when in standalone mode. Perhaps I missed something???

Believe i got it, why are you confused. In fact you can set/clear/test local flags only in standalone mode. To use local flags as state variables (e.g. visible) you have to choose 2-way as button property. This means, you can't combine setting/clearing local flags in a macro and using state variables with local flags on same button. Maybe you have to change your design to controller flags instead.
OP | Post 14 made on Wednesday January 13, 2010 at 20:23
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On January 12, 2010 at 19:30, stikx said...
Believe i got it, why are you confused. In fact you can set/clear/test local flags only in standalone mode. To use local flags as state variables (e.g. visible) you have to choose 2-way as button property. This means, you can't combine setting/clearing local flags in a macro and using state variables with local flags on same button. Maybe you have to change your design to controller flags instead.

That makes sense... well lets say that explains things :)

It is odd that the emulator shows the state variable as working properly with the following configuration... the button is in standalone, the local flag used to track the state variable is set in that button's macro BEFORE the testing of the state variable (reversed). I do not initially see the state change because of page flips but when I return to the home page the "active" source button is displayed as reversed.

Once uploaded to the remote and processor the state variable no longer works.
Post 15 made on Wednesday January 13, 2010 at 20:50
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I've never relied on the emulator... It has left me scratching my head too many times. Dump and try.
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