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CTV and ATI HDTV Wonder
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Post 1 made on Sunday December 11, 2005 at 19:08
icewire
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Okay, I've searched the forum and have noticed that many people are getting the same problem, but I dont see any solution. I have a signal of 80+ on CTV and locked in at RF 40, Channel 9 Sub-Channel -1, but get a blank screen, and no audio!? What am I doing wrong? Or can the ATI card just not show this channel? Any help would be great!!! (CityTV, CBC come in great...)

Tony
Post 2 made on Sunday December 11, 2005 at 23:40
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On December 11, 2005 at 19:08, icewire said...
Okay, I've searched the forum and have noticed
that many people are getting the same problem,
but I dont see any solution. I have a signal
of 80+ on CTV and locked in at RF 40, Channel
9 Sub-Channel -1, but get a blank screen, and
no audio!? What am I doing wrong? Or can the
ATI card just not show this channel? Any help
would be great!!! (CityTV, CBC come in great...)

Tony

I'm guessing that it's some kind of frequency problem! Try running the graph for mmc or watchhdtv in graphedit. Usually if I want to watch something on cfto I just run the graph in graphedit and it shows up as 40-4. Not as clean as watching it in one of the aforementioned programs but it does work. Just remember that you have to manually change each channel. Good Luck!
rbq
Post 3 made on Sunday December 11, 2005 at 23:55
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CTV's PSIP seems to be somewhat "bad", in that quite a few devices have or have had problems with it. I think the HDTV Wonder is one of the few that still seem to have an issue though..
Post 4 made on Monday December 12, 2005 at 12:04
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On December 11, 2005 at 23:55, Daniel Tonks said...
CTV's PSIP seems to be somewhat "bad", in that
quite a few devices have or have had problems
with it. I think the HDTV Wonder is one of the
few that still seem to have an issue though..

I've entered a problem ticket with ATI over this issue. They resisted at first, saying that the HDTV Wonder isn't supported in Canada but now the ticket is listed as "work in progress".
OP | Post 5 made on Monday December 12, 2005 at 17:29
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So I wonder, is it a device driver issue or a hardware issue?

rbq: are you using a HDTV wonder card? I'm still very new to graphedit. I still have not gotten it to work once with the wonder card. I get the output window to pop up but not the MS ATSC tuner window. weird?

daniel/weblurker: It's funny isn't it. CTV (Canadian) / ATI (Canadian) and it doesnt work :P Good luck on the ticket weblurker, please update me on any info you get from ATI. I have ticket open for their ATIcdwiz not downloading properly. I'm not sure how good thier tech support is.

So what cards are people using that do work with CTV? I use watchHDTV mostly, a wonderfull propram!
Post 6 made on Monday December 12, 2005 at 19:26
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Speaking of ATI & CTV, I've got a different problem with them on the TV Wonder Elite, which is just an analog card receiving Rogers analog cable. Turns out when watching CTV, every time the screen goes white the sound turns to static.

After a couple of months living with this I finally contacted ATI and they came back and said they've reproduced the problem and hope to fix it. What? I'm the only one that's ever noticed this?

But the kicker is I live only a couple blocks away from ATI's headquarters - they're on the exact same cable system as I and get the same channels (which is probably why it was so easily reproduced).

Oh well!
Post 7 made on Monday December 12, 2005 at 23:06
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On December 12, 2005 at 17:29, icewire said...
So I wonder, is it a device driver issue or a
hardware issue?

rbq: are you using a HDTV wonder card? I'm still
very new to graphedit. I still have not gotten
it to work once with the wonder card. I get the
output window to pop up but not the MS ATSC tuner
window. weird?

daniel/weblurker: It's funny isn't it. CTV (Canadian)
/ ATI (Canadian) and it doesnt work :P Good
luck on the ticket weblurker, please update me
on any info you get from ATI.

rbq: BTW, which coded are you using to watch CTV with WatchHDTV?

icewire: ATI didn't want to accept the ticket until I pointed out that it wouldn't look good for ATI if they refused to fix a bug for a TV station just a few tens of miles away from them. I think other people have tried and ATI always comes back with "The HDTV Wonder isn't supported in Canada".

A friend has tried to use Graphedit to switch WatchHDTV to another codec like the Nvidia or Intervideo codecs, but Graphedit comes back saying the pins aren't compatible.

Edit: an ATI CSR supervisor replied to my problem ticket tonight. He said that CFTO only has a 17kW transmitter (he referred me to the table in the RemoteCentral web site!). I replied that according to MMC, CFTO is coming in at 4 or 5 bars and with WatchHDTV, 90% to 95%.

He also said that officially ATI doesn't sell or support the HDTV Wonder in Canada. I replied that it's sold in several stores in Toronto, ATI is based in Toronto, so it wasn't so unreasonable to expect that the card would work in Toronto.

Finally, I pointed out that the bug is 100% reproducible, isn't intermittent or located in Texas or California and that all ATI had to do was run an HDTV Wonder at their head office and they'd see the bug. I said I really hoped ATI would fix this problem since it's occurring right in their backyard.

Last edited by Weblurker on December 13, 2005 00:15.
OP | Post 8 made on Tuesday December 13, 2005 at 19:57
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Boy that's funny! And yes it is true that they are now selling in Toronto stores... Logic Computer, Premier Computer Canada, PC Canada, PC Village, Infonec... It's almost hard to find a store that doesn't sell them. And the thing is I can only find this card, no other one.

I think it is a driver issue, the hardware is just fine. I just installed all the latest ATI drivers and software and now I get audio on CTV, but still a black screen. (In MMC 9.08)

I think I might open up a ticket too, can't hurt. The more the better, maybe they will get the message... everybody else should too :)
Post 9 made on Tuesday December 13, 2005 at 21:25
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On December 12, 2005 at 17:29, icewire said...
So I wonder, is it a device driver issue or a
hardware issue?

rbq: are you using a HDTV wonder card? I'm still
very new to graphedit. I still have not gotten
it to work once with the wonder card. I get the
output window to pop up but not the MS ATSC tuner
window. weird?

daniel/weblurker: It's funny isn't it. CTV (Canadian)
/ ATI (Canadian) and it doesnt work :P Good
luck on the ticket weblurker, please update me
on any info you get from ATI. I have ticket open
for their ATIcdwiz not downloading properly.
I'm not sure how good thier tech support is.

So what cards are people using that do work with
CTV? I use watchHDTV mostly, a wonderfull propram!

I'm still using the hdtv wonder. I use it to watch and to record some shows. I really like WatchHDTV for watching live dtv but I use Got all Media to record because it records the transports streams. If you want I can send you the graph that I use in graphedit. Just let me know and I'll pm it to you. I was having the same problem as you are with graphedit. There's a dll that you have to register for graphedit to work. It's the proppage.dll that comes with the sdk version of directx.

weblurker, I'm using the nvidia decoders with watchhdtv. For me they work a lot better than the ati decoders. I just setup the decoders text file and it works really well. I was using an ati 9550 video card but I upgraded to an nvidia 6600GT because I got a new hi rez lcd and the ati didn't have enough juice to run the rez.
Post 10 made on Tuesday December 13, 2005 at 22:22
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On December 13, 2005 at 21:25, rbq said...
weblurker, I'm using the nvidia decoders with
watchhdtv. For me they work a lot better than
the ati decoders. I just setup the decoders text
file and it works really well.

Thanks rbq, I'll pass that message to my friend who has been experimenting with Graphedit and WatchHDTV.

Are you using the Nvidia PureVideo decoders, or the Nvidia DVD decoder?

Last edited by Weblurker on December 13, 2005 22:29.
Post 11 made on Tuesday December 13, 2005 at 22:24
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On December 13, 2005 at 19:57, icewire said...
Boy that's funny! And yes it is true that they
are now selling in Toronto stores... Logic Computer,
Premier Computer Canada, PC Canada, PC Village,
Infonec... It's almost hard to find a store that
doesn't sell them. And the thing is I can only
find this card, no other one.


I think I might open up a ticket too, can't hurt.
The more the better, maybe they will get the
message... everybody else should too :)

I've been very positive with ATI (the ATI CSRs are reasonable people) and as of today, the CSR Supervisor appears to have reassigned the problem ticket to someone else, hopefully someone in the HDTV Wonder development team.

He could have just told me that ATI doesn't support the HDTV Wonder in Canada, so I guess a ticket reassignment is a good sign.
Post 12 made on Tuesday December 13, 2005 at 23:04
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On December 13, 2005 at 22:22, Weblurker said...
Thanks rbq, I'll pass that message to my friend
who has been experimenting with Graphedit and
WatchHDTV.

Are you using the Nvidia PureVideo decoders, or
the Nvidia DVD decoder?

Hi weblurker,
They're the decoders which came with theatertek so they are the PureVideo decoders.
cheers,
rbq
Post 13 made on Wednesday December 14, 2005 at 00:43
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On December 13, 2005 at 23:04, rbq said...
Hi weblurker,
They're the decoders which came with theatertek
so they are the PureVideo decoders.

cheers,
rbq

Thanks. My friend tried the DVD Nvidia codec and it doesn't appear to be compatible with an ATSC tuner, WatchHDTV doesn't work. He'll try the PureVideo codec next.

Edit: The Nvidia PureVideo codec worked to the point where WatchHDTV was able to display HDTV video.

Interestingly, the codec that came with the HDTV Wonder (Cyberlink) resulted in MMC showing video stuttering at 1080i on the 6600 video card but changing to a different Cyberlink (non ATI) codec eliminated the stuttering.

Next we'll see if we can get CFTO at 40-4 using GraphEdit and the PureVideo codec.

Last edited by Weblurker on December 14, 2005 12:03.
Post 14 made on Wednesday December 14, 2005 at 18:54
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On December 14, 2005 at 00:43, Weblurker said...
Thanks. My friend tried the DVD Nvidia codec and
it doesn't appear to be compatible with an ATSC
tuner, WatchHDTV doesn't work. He'll try the PureVideo
codec next.

Edit: The Nvidia PureVideo codec worked to the
point where WatchHDTV was able to display HDTV
video.

Interestingly, the codec that came with the HDTV
Wonder (Cyberlink) resulted in MMC showing video
stuttering at 1080i on the 6600 video card but
changing to a different Cyberlink (non ATI) codec
eliminated the stuttering.

Next we'll see if we can get CFTO at 40-4 using
GraphEdit and the PureVideo codec.

That's weird about the video stuttering in mmc with the 6600. Mine works fine in mmc I just prefer watchhdtv and got all media. CFTO should work with the graph that hdtval mentions in the readme file that came with watchhdtv as well. Let me know how it goes.
cheers,
rbq
Post 15 made on Wednesday December 14, 2005 at 20:07
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I may have a solution for the CTV problem. Try a program called Beyond TV 4 by Snapstream Media.

I had exactly the same problem with my AverTVHD A180. Neither the supplied Avermedia TV app nor WatchHDTV could tune CTV but they both displayed a high signal strength. I was part of the Beyond TV 4 beta program and I filed a bug report with them about the CTV problem and the clever folks over there fixed it. My AverTVHD can now tune in CTV using Beyond TV and as far I know the program also supports the HDTV Wonder. Beyond TV has a free trial so you might as well give it a try.

The Snapstream guys also let me know that the first three programs in CTV's stream are not listed in the TVCT (Terrestrial Virtual Channel Table) which is why they can't be tuned. So it appears that this is not a driver problem but an application problem and CTV's broadcast stream is still a bit messed up. Those of you with open issues at ATI may want to pass along the info about the TVCT so that they can fix their app or better yet CTV should fix their stream.

Hope this helps.
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