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Post 16 made on Tuesday November 15, 2005 at 17:18
Daniel Tonks
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23-1 is actually real channel 32-1. 4-1 is real channel 39-1 and is a lot further away. Other than that, I'm not sure what's up... CTV should be coming in fine, but they HAVE introduced PSIP problems in the past that could be affecting MCE.
Post 17 made on Tuesday November 15, 2005 at 19:17
rbq
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On 11/15/05 17:18 ET, Daniel Tonks said...
23-1 is actually real channel 32-1. 4-1 is real
channel 39-1 and is a lot further away. Other
than that, I'm not sure what's up... CTV should
be coming in fine, but they HAVE introduced PSIP
problems in the past that could be affecting MCE.

Thanks for correcting my numbers. I must have been half asleep when I wrote it last nite. I get a strong signal with both both 39-1 and 40-1 but no audio or video. I'm guessing that it's related to the ati hdtv tuner. I'm going to try older drivers and see if they make a difference.
cheers
Post 18 made on Wednesday November 16, 2005 at 23:01
rbq
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On 11/15/05 19:17 ET, rbq said...
Thanks for correcting my numbers. I must have
been half asleep when I wrote it last nite. I
get a strong signal with both both 39-1 and 40-1
but no audio or video. I'm guessing that it's
related to the ati hdtv tuner. I'm going to try
older drivers and see if they make a difference.
cheers

I got a hold of directx sdk and tried one of their directshow samples and built a graph in graphedit with it. I wasn't able to get 39-1 but I was able to tune CFTO-HD with 40-4. I tried those numbers in watchhdtv but no joy! strong signal but no audio or video. I think that it's a software problem/glitch somewhere. I'm beginning to think that it's a windows issue but I could be wrong!Does anyone have any ideas or knowledge of how this works when it's tuning?
rbq
Post 19 made on Thursday November 17, 2005 at 00:19
Daniel Tonks
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Ah, 40-4, that's an old bug CTV had with their PSIP. I had thought it was fixed - I had this some months back on my standalone tuner but it was reported by others to be fixed so I rescanned and it came up correctly as 9-1 - but it's possible it's come back again (my HDTV tuner caches PSIP information so unless I do a full rescan it "remembers" how it was when it was scanned and never checks again).
Post 20 made on Thursday November 17, 2005 at 14:58
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On 11/17/05 00:19 ET, Daniel Tonks said...
Ah, 40-4, that's an old bug CTV had with their
PSIP. I had thought it was fixed - I had this
some months back on my standalone tuner but it
was reported by others to be fixed so I rescanned
and it came up correctly as 9-1 - but it's possible
it's come back again (my HDTV tuner caches PSIP
information so unless I do a full rescan it "remembers"
how it was when it was scanned and never checks
again).

On my samsung ts160 tuner it comes out as 9-1 and 39-1 works as well. It's just the ati hdtv tuner that's not tuning these channels. I can get 9-4 instead of 9-1 only if I run a graph in graphedit. But if I run the application that the graph is based on I still can't get 9-1 or 9-4. GRRRR!!!
Post 21 made on Sunday November 20, 2005 at 09:14
Defender
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On August 8, 2005 at 17:10, toddklost said...
I wanted to start a thread specific to HD-HTPCs
in Toronto. I am having great success with my
HD-HTPC now, I have a lot of experience setting
up HTPC rigs, I would be happy to help anyone
out. (and hopefully someone can help me out with
some of my problems.)

I'm in the Toronto Beaches (Off Woodbine) and
I get the following with my ATI HDTV Wonder +
Stock antenna w/10DB amp and 30ft cable. I was
told I can damage the HDTV Wonder with this amp,
but with 30ft cable I doubt it

02-1 NBC HD
04-1 CBS HD
05-1 CBC HD
07-1 ABC HD
23-1 CBC HD (same as 4-1)
23-3 UPN SD
25-1 CBC French
29-1 Fox HD
40-4 CFTO-CTV HD (9-1?, 40-3?)
43-1 WNED PBS HD
43-3 Think B
53-1 CityHD
66-1 Toronto 1 HD

By the way, without the 10DB amp I don't get half
of these channels, the stock antenna works great
for me, I would recommend moving around your room
and find the sweat spot like I did. (South-east
corner of my room pointing to lake ontario)

FYI: I was in Etobicoke a few months back (401/Islington)
on the 11th floor and I got the same channels,
with the amp of course.

When I started fooling around with Windows XP
MCE 2005, I can't stress enough how amazing this
OS works with the HDTV Wonder, from the superior
program guide to recording quality.

However on the the annoyances (I am destined to
fix these issues!)
With channels 5-1 and 25-1, the CBC english and
French channels, won't tune in MCE 2005, that
is why I dual boot with Professional since I installed
ATI Multimedia Center there where I can get both
CBC HD channels!. Has anyone got CBC HD working
in MCE 2005?, if I can get CBC HD in MCE2005 I
would dump the ATI software in a heartbeat, MCE2005
is far supperior. I have heard one report that
its a sub-channel issue with 5-1 & 25-1, but I
added the channel "5-1" in MCE2005 and left the
antenna position as it was when working in ATI's
software, not sure why its not coming in?

Bring on the new hockey season!

HTPC setup:
AMD Athlon XP 3200+

1gig 200MHZ DDR
DFI Infinity NForce 2 w/Soundstorm, DD 5.1 Live
enabled
ATI 9700 128 meg
ATI HDTV Wonder (w/Kram drivers in MCE2005 to
use Analogue tuner + Canada Patch to get HD working)
Fortissmo II with SixPack 5.1+ Driver (optical
connected to Panasonic HE-100 Receiver)
Tannoy FX 5.1 Speakers
Silverstone case
Dual Boot Windows XP Media Center 2005 + Windows
XP Professional.
>>> VGA cable Sanyo PLV-Z1 with 94" Screen.
>>> S-Video to Panasonc 27".

Hi

I live in East York and put up a radioshack RCA antenna on my balcony, which is one flight up. But I pretty much have an unobstructed path to the CN tower, located south/west and the lake to the south. So I am pointing my anenna between the two points.

I get 20 channels
29-1
29-2
29-3
5-1
25-1
23-3
23-1
2-1
2-2
7-1
39-1
9-1**********
43-1
43-2
43-3
53-1
66-1
4-3
4-1

OKay 3 are SDTV and 1 EDTV, but the rest are HDTV...when they have HDTV content.
And I have to say that I have no use for the French CBC.

So that is 19 usuable digital channels, make that 18, which is the reason for this post, and I will elaborate on in a moment. I have seen what other people in the GTA post, and I must say I am doing prretty good comapred to the number of channels I get.

I have an older pentium 4 2.8Ghz box running XP Pro
An ATI 9600 128mb and all ATI drivers and such are the current versions, but I had to backdown a version for MMC due to that Scheduler bug.

I have to say I love HDTV. I am waiting for more stations to start broadcasting - like Global and OMNI

Now this is my problem. CFTO-DT 9-1....
I get a very strong signal. Infact it may be the strongest signal of all the channels I pick up. And I think I pick up all you can from Toronto and Buffalo....I can't get Rochester, and Hamilton is not started yet.

But CFTO is the strongest signal. I get the audio. It is very clear, rich and loud. But I get absolutely NO video.
It's like I am picking up a radio station, not a digital TV station. But the audio is the audio for the video. I confirmed it on a TV hooked up to cable.

So has anybody else had this problem?
Can anybody confirm CFTO is sending is vidoe over the air, and not just audio?

If I couldn't get every single channel you can in Toronto over the air. I might suspect myself bumbling things up, or maybe the signal. But I thought there was no forgiveness with digital TV. Either you get a signal or you don't. No fade, no loss. Either you have it or not.
The audio seems to confirm I have the signal. But no video appears on my system. Every other channel comes in crystal clear...and when it's HD content, I am still in that flabbergasted stage. Only CFTO-DT which my system senses as 9-1 on the dial gives me this audio and no video.

So I need to confirm other people can get video. And if they do, if they have the slightest clue as to why only this channel has audio, but no video, yet 19 other channels are coming in perfectly. So that is my question.

Oh, I just want to comment. I cannot believe how much cleaner, more detailed, more vibrant the colors are on over the air digital signals compared to what Roger's sells you. It is so dramatic that I thought I was getting HDTV...until I realized the content was not HD, because I have now have opportunities to watch HD content and can't believe it. Okay, it's not quite like looking through a window. I am pretty sure real life resolution is 4000x4000 pixels per sq inch. So still a long way from having people confuse what is in TV for reality, but it's the level of detail that is so dramatically increased I find my self hungry for HD content. So I want the picture on CFTO-DT.

Who knows what is up with this channel, or what I might be doing that cause it?

Thank you very kindly, for you are smarter and wiser than I!
Post 22 made on Sunday November 20, 2005 at 15:51
rbq
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On November 20, 2005 at 09:14, Defender said...
Hi
I live in East York and put up a radioshack RCA
antenna on my balcony, which is one flight up.
But I pretty much have an unobstructed path to
the CN tower, located south/west and the lake
to the south. So I am pointing my anenna between
the two points.
I get 20 channels
29-1
29-2
29-3
5-1
25-1
23-3
23-1
2-1
2-2
7-1
39-1
9-1**********
43-1
43-2
43-3
53-1
66-1
4-3
4-1
OKay 3 are SDTV and 1 EDTV, but the rest are HDTV...when
they have HDTV content.
And I have to say that I have no use for the French
CBC.
So that is 19 usuable digital channels, make that
18, which is the reason for this post, and I will
elaborate on in a moment. I have seen what other
people in the GTA post, and I must say I am doing
prretty good comapred to the number of channels
I get.
I have an older pentium 4 2.8Ghz box running XP
Pro
An ATI 9600 128mb and all ATI drivers and such
are the current versions, but I had to backdown
a version for MMC due to that Scheduler bug.
I have to say I love HDTV. I am waiting for more
stations to start broadcasting - like Global and
OMNI
Now this is my problem. CFTO-DT 9-1....
I get a very strong signal. Infact it may be the
strongest signal of all the channels I pick up.
And I think I pick up all you can from Toronto
and Buffalo....I can't get Rochester, and Hamilton
is not started yet.
But CFTO is the strongest signal. I get the audio.
It is very clear, rich and loud. But I get absolutely
NO video.
It's like I am picking up a radio station, not
a digital TV station. But the audio is the audio
for the video. I confirmed it on a TV hooked up
to cable.
So has anybody else had this problem?
Can anybody confirm CFTO is sending is vidoe over
the air, and not just audio?
If I couldn't get every single channel you can
in Toronto over the air. I might suspect myself
bumbling things up, or maybe the signal. But I
thought there was no forgiveness with digital
TV. Either you get a signal or you don't. No fade,
no loss. Either you have it or not.
The audio seems to confirm I have the signal.
But no video appears on my system. Every other
channel comes in crystal clear...and when it's
HD content, I am still in that flabbergasted stage.
Only CFTO-DT which my system senses as 9-1 on
the dial gives me this audio and no video.
So I need to confirm other people can get video.
And if they do, if they have the slightest clue
as to why only this channel has audio, but no
video, yet 19 other channels are coming in perfectly.
So that is my question.
Oh, I just want to comment. I cannot believe how
much cleaner, more detailed, more vibrant the
colors are on over the air digital signals compared
to what Roger's sells you. It is so dramatic that
I thought I was getting HDTV...until I realized
the content was not HD, because I have now have
opportunities to watch HD content and can't believe
it. Okay, it's not quite like looking through
a window. I am pretty sure real life resolution
is 4000x4000 pixels per sq inch. So still a long
way from having people confuse what is in TV for
reality, but it's the level of detail that is
so dramatically increased I find my self hungry
for HD content. So I want the picture on CFTO-DT.
Who knows what is up with this channel, or what
I might be doing that cause it?
Thank you very kindly, for you are smarter and
wiser than I!

Please read my previous posts. I am experiencing the same issues that you are. I am also having problems with 4-1 (39-1 no audio or video). I use watchhdtv as well as mmc. I ran the watchhdtv graph in graphedit and I was able to tune into cfto using 40-4 instead of 40-1 but when I changed the channel info in the programs that I am using there was no change. I'm speculating that it's a windows or hdtv tuner issue and maybe a frequency issue as well. I have a samsung ts160 connected to my tv and I get cfto no problems as 9-1 which I assume is 40-1. I also get 39-1 with no problems as well.
Does anyone else have any ideas or solutions to offer?
rbq
Post 23 made on Friday November 25, 2005 at 23:21
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OK - Noob here to this site. How do you program cityHD on WMCE. I just bought the ATI HDTV wonder card. Just so you don't think I'm a complete noob I did get CBC working for Greycup this weekend! (and hockey of course. I would like to tune CityHD I know it's 53-1 but what is the frequency? Or how to get it on WMCE 05'

Thanks
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