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Post 871 made on Thursday November 23, 2006 at 16:43
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markrpopp, you are in a very good location to recieve both Toronto, Hamilton, Buffalo, and Rochester stations. You may be in one of the best locations around for OTA reception.

City-dt is intentionally not sending any signal towards Buffalo (to avoid some conflict with PAX...?) However, there is a dealer in Lockport named Rich, who is able to recieve City-dt fine. I believe he has a yagi on a 40' tower. You may need something like that to get city-hd. Also 25miles from Grand Island is very close, you should be picking up the grand island signals fine.

Is it possible that WNYO is transmitting from G.I. but not yet at full power. Because the signal they are broadcasting right now is nowhere near as close as storng as the test signal from back in September.
Post 872 made on Thursday November 23, 2006 at 17:18
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Lockport is on the top of the Niagara escarpment, I'am mutch lower But I found out today that I can also pull in the Rochester stations.
Post 873 made on Friday November 24, 2006 at 07:46
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Markrpopp,
I also live below the escarpment in the town of Porter (19mile from you) I receive all the channels on the channel map [Link: remotecentral.com] . Including city-TV
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As a rule of thumb the higher the better
Post 874 made on Friday November 24, 2006 at 13:03
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Hi.

I live in the Mississauga area.

Looks like the archaic CRTC (and Rogers) finally buggered it's way to the HD channels.

With the non-HD channels, if both an American and a Canadian station is airing the same show at the same time, both stations get flipped to the Canadian one. This is a pain, especially when Rogers forget to flip the U.S. station back after the show is over. I figure we have the right to choose which broadcast to watch.

I haven't noticed this occurring with the HD stations, until last night when HDABC (East) aired CTV's broadcast of Jeopardy, followed by CityTV's broadcast of Ugly Betty.

Does this mean I have to watch Canadian commercials during the Superbowl???
Post 875 made on Friday November 24, 2006 at 15:01
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hogger, Do You get the Rochester stations, I seem to get better reception of the Rochester stations after the sun goes down. Just trying to think if I should be doing something diffrent. (using radio shack Model: VU-190 XR 160'' yagi style antenna with 30db pre-amp 35ft high)
Post 876 made on Friday November 24, 2006 at 16:02
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On November 24, 2006 at 13:03, speedy1701 said...
Does this mean I have to watch Canadian commercials during
the Superbowl???

Get yourself some good OTA equipment and they will never take American commercials way from you again!
Post 877 made on Saturday November 25, 2006 at 10:48
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On November 24, 2006 at 15:01, markrpopp said...
hogger,
Do
You get the Rochester stations, I seem to get better reception
of the Rochester stations after the sun goes down. Just
trying to think if I should be doing something diffrent.
(using radio shack Model: VU-190 XR 160'' yagi style
antenna with 30db pre-amp 35ft high)

Rochester stations are very touchy …at times I receive a full signal and others I struggle pull them in.
Yes clear nights are ideal; this all has to do with the atmosphere conditions
I guess the proper term or condition would be Tropospheric Skip
Post 878 made on Saturday November 25, 2006 at 12:02
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Brand new Channel Master 4228 UHF Antenna for sale.
Price :$ 160
Email:midnight_to@yahoo.ca
TORONTO,Etobicoke

Last edited by midnight_to on November 25, 2006 12:21.
Post 879 made on Saturday November 25, 2006 at 20:55
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All private buy and sell listings should be placed under the Marketplace Forum.
LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!
OP | Post 880 made on Sunday November 26, 2006 at 00:16
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Anyone seen WIVB tonight? Seems to be MIA for me - although WROC is coming in like a bullet.
OP | Post 881 made on Sunday November 26, 2006 at 00:19
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On November 24, 2006 at 13:03, speedy1701 said...
Hi.

I live in the Mississauga area.

Looks like the archaic CRTC (and Rogers) finally buggered
it's way to the HD channels.

With the non-HD channels, if both an American and a Canadian
station is airing the same show at the same time, both
stations get flipped to the Canadian one. This is a pain,
especially when Rogers forget to flip the U.S. station
back after the show is over. I figure we have the right
to choose which broadcast to watch.

I haven't noticed this occurring with the HD stations,
until last night when HDABC (East) aired CTV's broadcast
of Jeopardy, followed by CityTV's broadcast of Ugly Betty.

Yes, I noticed this as well. Global's broadcast of Numbers replaced the CBS broadcast. This is very disappointing.


Does this mean I have to watch Canadian commercials during
the Superbowl???

Yup, in fact that's probably one of the prime reasons for forcing this through at this time. Viva OTA! :-)
Post 882 made on Sunday November 26, 2006 at 08:02
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Wow the rochester stations are amazing strong, never could get them on the analog side. Last night I had the station from Jamestown coming in channel 27/26, that's like 95 miles away!
Post 883 made on Sunday November 26, 2006 at 13:08
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On November 25, 2006 at 12:02, midnight_to said...
Brand new Channel Master 4228 UHF Antenna for sale.
Price :$ 160
Email:midnight_to@yahoo.ca
TORONTO,Etobicoke

160$?

Where did you get that figure from? Thats a 50$ antenna in the states, and shouldn't be anymore than 100$ here in Canada. I paid 90$ for mine brand new, at a store in St. Catharines.
Post 884 made on Sunday November 26, 2006 at 15:16
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On November 26, 2006 at 00:16, Daniel Tonks said...
Anyone seen WIVB tonight? Seems to be MIA for me - although
WROC is coming in like a bullet.

Hi Daniel. I was able to receive WIVB Saturday evening, I happened to tune to it a few times. However, I wasn't able to receive NBC or PBS.

Since the unsettled weather moved in about a week ago, I've found that the signal strength of the Buffalo stations has occasionally fallen to 0-12% for sometimes minutes, occasionally hours and in the case of NBC, for days at a time.

FWIW, I'm located at Dufferin and Eglinton and have a Silver Sensor mounted in the attic. I'm running WatchHDTV and using an HDTV Wonder.

I was thinking about starting a thread asking people about their experiences in OTA reception. The idea is to try to establish what might be normal so that someone new to OTA would know what to expect. Or should that be a sub thread within this one?

For example, for the past year I had the Silver Sensor mounted behind a 2nd floor window and had the following experience:

NBC - never
CBS (32-1) - always available at around 65% signal strength (all following percentages refer to signal strength that WatchHDTV reports).
CW (39-1) - never
ABC - always available, 65%-75%.
Fox - not available about 12 hours before rain arrived. Reception outage would last a few hours. When available, 50%-75%.
PBS - almost always available, but like Fox, when a large rain system moved in, it wouldn't be available for a few hours. When available 50%-65%.
CN Tower/local Toronto transmitters (CBC, CITY, CTV) always available at 90+% regardless of the weather.

When CBS and CW switched transmitters, I lost CBS. So I was motivated to move the Silver Sensor into the attic (lots of cable re-routing, a major PITA).

NBC - Available when the weather is clear at 65%-85%, but on almost any cloud cover, signal strength goes to 0-12%.
CBS (39-1) - almost always available 65%-85%. Gone during heavy rain.
CW (32-1) - always available 90%.
ABC - always 65%-85%.
Fox - Still disappears before rain, when available 65%-85%.
PBS - Still disappears occasionally, 50%-65% when available.

Moving the Silver Sensor to the attic meant I could receive NBC when the weather is clear and pretty much restored CBS. However, PBS and Fox did not improve with the extra 8 feet in height.

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[Link: goes.noaa.gov]

I've been using the satellite images on that NOAA web page. I've found that the amount of water vapour in the air over Buffalo and Toronto is a pretty good predictor of when the reception of some of the Buffalo channels goes away.
OP | Post 885 made on Sunday November 26, 2006 at 23:09
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Still no sign of WIVB on my end... I get only a VERY low signal level. But I can get WKBW and WGRZ just fine. Odd.
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