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PPENG software and Windows 7?
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Post 1 made on Monday November 29, 2010 at 04:36
torino
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Does anyone know if PPENG software will run on Windows 7? If not, will it run ok on XP or Vista? I'm running Windows 7 on my laptop's primary hard drive, but if need be I can repartition it and load XP or Vista on the new partition or install XP or Vista to a secondary hard drive.
Thanks.
Post 2 made on Monday November 29, 2010 at 12:40
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The software will run on W7, BUT if you have the 64 bit version, there are no drivers to download/upload to/from your Pronto. Philips decided not to provide 64 bit drivers, so if you have a 32 bit system, you should be okay. If your other OS's are 64 bit, I don't believe they will work either.
Whit I do is make any edits to my configuration on my 64 bit W7, then download it using my 32 bit W7 computer.
Hope this helps.
ps, there are a couple of other threads relating to this, some of which are very angry.
OP | Post 3 made on Tuesday November 30, 2010 at 01:41
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Thanks, I appreciate the info. I using Windows 7, 64-bit on a Dell D630 Latitude laptop. I ran the PPENG setup on Windows 7 and it finished installing, but then PPENG didn't want to open saying the file might be corrupt, so I ran the compatability troubleshooting option that appeared and its solution was to run PPENG in XP compatibility mode. Now its up and apparently running, but should I expect the download/upload issues you mentioned with the pronto device? I'm asking because it will probably be a while before I complete a configuration and need to download, so I want to try and prepare for any inevitable download/upload issues. Excuse my inexperience with this, I'm still a novice with the Pronto and its editing software.
Thanks again.
Post 4 made on Tuesday November 30, 2010 at 10:04
Lyndel McGee
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I doubt that you will be able to download to a TSU7000/7500 remote but I could be mistaken. I cannot recall if XP compatibility mode worked for USB drivers or if there was some special setup required.

You might get lucky with the 3000/3500 as they don't have a special driver.

This indeed has been discussed in the past. As it does appear you have some time, you might want to search for vista 64 or Windows 7 64 and read about others' experiences.
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Post 5 made on Tuesday November 30, 2010 at 13:11
rsblaski
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I used XP compatibility and it works as I described in my previous post. (You can program, but can't download.)
I don't know anything about programming drivers, but find it frustrating that Philips didn't create one for the Prontos.
I really like the convenience of having one remote, but if my TSU 7500 ever bites the dust, I'm done with Philips and will get a Harmony.
OP | Post 6 made on Tuesday November 30, 2010 at 17:20
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Thanks again for all the info. I failed to mention that I have a TSU7000 and I chose it because of the color screen and I because I read it was a good remote. The reason I'm even using Windows 7 is because I had an IT tech install a larger hd and Windows Vista 64-bit on my laptop and the Vista came with a free upgrade to Windows 7 64-bit. The laptop originally had XP installed and I still have the disks for it as well as for Vista and 7. Since any configurations will probably not download, I'm looking at either repartitioning the hard drive that currently has Windows 7 on it and installing XP on the new partition or installing XP on the old hard drive mounted in a cd/dvd caddy. This particular laptop has the option of using the optical bay for a second recognizable hard drive. So, for now, I've got a learning curve to scale for both the laptop and PPENG.
Thanks,
Post 7 made on Friday December 3, 2010 at 21:40
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If you are running Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate you could simply download an install Windows XP Mode from Microsoft. It's a free download and would allow you to then run PPENG within a virtual Windows XP environment on your Windows 7 machine. This would provide true Windows XP driver support allowing you to download to the remote as well. Guess I should state that I haven't attempted to do so myself, but can't imagine it wouldn't work. Now if you have Windows 7 Home Premium there is an alternative to upgrading to Pro or Ultimate and running Windows XP Mode. If you have a legal copy of Windows XP you could create your own XP Mode under Windows 7 using the free VMware Player. A tuturial for how to create XP Mode for Windows 7 using VMware player can be found here.

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OP | Post 8 made on Thursday December 9, 2010 at 03:14
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Thanks. I had read about the virtual XP with Windows 7 Pro & Ult. on the Winsdows 7 forum, but I am running 7 Home Premium and I don't need to spend the extra $ right now for the upgrade. When you say, legal copy of XP, do you mean a retail version of XP or the OEM disks because I do have the OEM XP disks? I'll check out the link you provided and again I appreciate your post.
Post 9 made on Thursday December 9, 2010 at 10:37
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A legal(licensed) copy means nothing more than a CD that can be installed to create a working OS.

It would appear that all VMWare needs is an installation CD/DVD. Have a look at the link LowPro provided. It contains a nice writeup.
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Post 10 made on Saturday December 11, 2010 at 22:48
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Just for kicks I upgraded my operating system from Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) to Windows 7 Professional. Downloaded and installed XM Mode and Virtual PC. While I don't have a ProntoNG series remote at present to test I was able to install PPENG v2.1.8.0 without issue, then opening the latest version of my PCF and running it in the Simulator. I'm actually planning on purchasing a used TSU7500, so I'll have to give it a go per downloading to the remote once I have one in hand. That being said, the addition of XP Mode has been a blessing in disguise as it turns out per the TSU9x00 series remotes that I own and PEP. In order to download to the remote via PEP using Windows 7 I first need to disable the 3 HID-compliant mouse drivers showing under "Device Manager" which I actually just keep disabled all the time as they don't appear to serve any purpose anyway. I also need to disconnect my USB keyboard and mouse. Should note that this is a laptop thankfully, so I still have the laptop's keyboard and touchpad at that point. Due to the way I usually have my laptop situated at home (use a kvm and external monitor) it's been a real PITA having to disconnect my USB keyboard and mouse every time I need to download to the remote. Happy to say that those days are behind me now with the addition of XP Mode as I'm able to download to the remote under XP Mode without having to first disconnect my USB keyboard and mouse. Pretty sweet! When initially connecting my TSU9x00 XP Mode adds it as a system folder, in this case "E on ALIENM15X-PC" as shown here. The USB device then has to be attached via the Virtual PC toolbar before it's seen as a removable storage device where one can then download to the remote via the editor.

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OP | Post 11 made on Tuesday January 11, 2011 at 03:41
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Hi. Its been a few weeks, but I just wanted to say thanks for the VMware tip. After downloading and installing it to Windows 7 Home Ed., I then loaded XP on the VMware and with the exception of an initial hick-up with the USB connectivity, which was solved by installing the USB controller from the VM tools, it runs XP and PPENG just fine and more importantly, downloads to my TSU7000. Being able to run XP and PPENG with USB connectivity using a VM saved me the headache of having to dual-boot OSs or use a secondary hard drive, which I'd never done before. Its definitely good to know how to dual-boot OSs and things like that, but the VMware got XP and PPENG up and running so I could move forward with some of these Pronto configs I'm working on.
Thanks again for the information, its much appreciated.
Post 12 made on Friday August 12, 2011 at 22:05
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Hi, Your post on VMware is very interesting. Am I correct in assuming that you are using the freeware VWware Player? Also, is it VMware Tools where you got the USB controller? I think VM Tools is a different company. Thanks.
Post 13 made on Saturday September 15, 2012 at 13:46
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Thanks to this thread, I am now able to run the Pronto editors on one of my Windows 7 laptops. The VMware/XP install was seamless. I had been holding onto an old desktop PC running XP, solely for the purpose of being able to run the editors and update the configuration files of my TSU3000 and TSU7500. Now I can finally get rid of the old desktop. This thread gets two thumbs-ups.
OP | Post 14 made on Friday September 28, 2012 at 23:11
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I'm glad the information helped you Glen P, but I can't take credit for any of it. rsblaski, Low Pro and Lyndel McGee were the members who generously provided the assistance. Im still using the VMware I installed for running Windows XP and PPENG which I'm currently using to update a Pronto TSU7000 pcf. I only have 2GB of RAM, so it tends to run a little slow,but if you can run 4 or 8GB on your system and don't mind the addtional cost it might help it run a little faster.
I have to apologize to foosp for not noticing his post over a year ago. I didn't expect any more posts, but that's not being a responsible member on my part seeing that my questions were answers so promptly. Regarding his question, what I meant was that when I first installed VMware and tried download to the Pronto TSU7000 it didn't initially connect, so I went into the Virtual machine settings and made sure the USB controller was present and connected or something like that. Anyway, I got the USB connection going and have been going since then. Occasionally, it might not want to recognize the USB and in those instances I just repeat the process or restart VMware and it usually kicks in.
Good luck with your design and let me know if I can be of any assistance.
Thanks
Post 15 made on Thursday January 31, 2013 at 05:07
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XP Compatibility Mode seems complicated. Would the simplest solution just to keep my old XP notebook in a closet and use it exclusively for PCF download every few weeks when I adjust my PCF? Philips outsourced Pronto hardware support, and that's what they suggested to me.
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