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Problems with TSU3500 Learning my Firefly-kind of
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Post 1 made on Thursday July 12, 2007 at 10:49
tshrimp
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Was not sure how to put a topic on this, but let me explain my issue.

I just purchased the TSU3500. I have put in my layout and programmed it with all working great, but one issue.

My PVR which is a pc with Beyond TV 4 with a Firefly Mini remote.

Here is my issue. When learning my Firefly Mini on the TSU3500 I hold the button on the Firefly Mini for about 4 sec. and the code shows success. I then try and use, and the response from the remote on the up, down, left, right arrows (Have tried hard and soft keys) are very unresponsive (work, but have to press, then wait for the change and then press again). In the past I could just hit the button as fast as I can and it scrolls through menues faster than I can read them. I can hold the button and not release and it scrolles through at a great speed. It is just when I click one at a time.

I found that I could fix my slow response issue by a change when learing the Firefly Mini. What I would do is press the direction keys as fast as I can on the Firefly remote, and valla all is responsive. I can press the direction keys on the remote as fast as I want to and all reponds great. However, now when I hold the key down and do not release it will not scroll through the menues at all.

When programming/learning I usually hold the buttons for about a second on the orriginal remote, but here I have tried from less than a sec all the way to the max time and cannot get the best of both worlds. Fast reponse and coninual scroll through menu.

I have a Sima SUR-25 learing remote, and it works just fine when learning my firefly.

Any suggestions?

Thanks, and sorry for such a long post. Let me know if you need clarification.

Last edited by tshrimp on July 12, 2007 11:46.
Post 2 made on Thursday July 12, 2007 at 18:58
Daniel Tonks
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First off, read through this and see if anything helps: [Link: remotecentral.com]
OP | Post 3 made on Thursday July 12, 2007 at 19:09
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Thanks for the link. Some good stuff. I tried most of them, but some of the more creative recommendations I have not. Such as the "Duck Blind " and "The Flutter Effect ". This might be what the doctor ordered.

Thanks again.
OP | Post 4 made on Thursday July 12, 2007 at 20:34
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Daniel,

Tried them all, and all have different results but no fix. I am going to make it more simple since the above description can be confusing.

The short....

When I go to my PVR (Beyond TV HTPC) and go to the guide for example. I can hold any button down (left right up down) and keep it held. It will fly through the menues as it should. When I press the button and release it also jumps once to the next selection. Problem is that if I want to go up 3 spaces and I press the up arrow 3 times quickly (but not unreasonably fast) it will go up only one time. I basically have to wait for it to get to the next selection before pushing the arrow again and it respond. It beeps 3 times, but only goes up (down left right) one time. Basically not keeping up with my faster presses, but again no unreasonably fast.

My orriginal remote as well as my other learning touchscreen remote work fine.

Thanks for any help, and hope this post is easier to understand. If not please ask. My wife already lovse the remote, and is tired of me taking if from her. (it's mine I tell you!)
Post 5 made on Friday July 13, 2007 at 07:47
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Post Pronto Hex for the learned signals that are giving you problems.

I can examine those, probably understand why they aren't working right, maybe give you corrected Pronto Hex that will work right, or maybe give you some work around.
OP | Post 6 made on Friday July 13, 2007 at 08:56
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John,

Thanks so much. Below are the normal codes when I learn by pushing the orrignal remote keys for about 2 sec. or so, and are the most consistant learned code. If I press the original remote fast the number is much longer, and seems faster when pressing, but it causes the constant scroll to break (press and hold and continues to scroll)

Here is the info.:

Left Arrow:

900A 006D 0000 0001 00FF 44BB

Up Arrow:

900A 006D 0000 0001 00FF 5DA2

Right Arrow:

900A 006D 0000 0001 00FF 4CB3

Down Arrow:

900A 006D 0000 0001 00FF 50AF


Thanks again
Post 7 made on Friday July 13, 2007 at 09:22
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Normally the condensed Pronto Hex you just quoted would mean the learning was perfect. Those signals ought to work as well or better than the long Pronto Hex strings in all situations. I don't have an explanation for the results seeming unresponsive.

What is on the action list of each button? You get best results from a Pronto Hex string only when it is the only action in the button's action list. Your symptoms might fit some of the minor timing problems you can get when there are multiple actions on the button's action list.

There is also a slight chance that the correct signal for your device is different from the standard signal represented by those condensed Pronto Hex strings. If you show me a few of the long Pronto Hex strings that you get from slightly imperfect learns, I may be able to determine whether the condensed strings are correct.
OP | Post 8 made on Friday July 13, 2007 at 12:30
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I have only one action, and I will reproduce some long strings tonight when I get home from work. Sooner if my wife calls me back.
OP | Post 9 made on Saturday July 14, 2007 at 18:26
tshrimp
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Sorry it took so long for the reply.

Here is the long....

Left Arrow:

0000 006D 0024 0000 0155 00AC 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 05EB 0155 0056 0015 00AC

Up Arrow:

0000 006D 0024 0000 0155 00AC 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 05EB 0155 0056 0015 00AC

Right Arrow:

0000 006D 0024 0000 0155 00AC 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 0041 0015 0015 0015 0041 0015 05EB 0155 0056 0015 00AC

Down Arrow:

0000 006D 0024 0000 0155 00AD 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0041 0016 0016 0016 0041 0016 0016 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0041 0016 0016 0016 0041 0016 0016 0016 0041 0016 05EB 0155 0056 0016 00AD

Thanks.
Post 10 made on Saturday July 14, 2007 at 23:52
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Change the duration that the remote send the code, some gear need longer trnasmition.
OP | Post 11 made on Sunday July 15, 2007 at 02:11
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Ossocao,

Tried .01 through .10 (tried every Increment), and still same issue. Still very slow reponse when going through menues and the guide with My HTPC. Regualar remote and other touch screen learning remote do not have this issue.


Thanks for the suggestion though.
Post 12 made on Sunday July 15, 2007 at 07:45
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The long Pronto Hex strings are exactly what one would expect assuming that the short Pronto Hex strings are perfect. (So the long ones didn't suggest any improvement of the short ones).

I'm not sure what one might hope for in adjusting the duration. But .01 through .10 is not an interesting range. The duration is always at least that long. The interesting range would be .2 through .9. Also those long Pronto Hex strings were learned in a way that means the Pronto won't know how to correctly adjust the duration. Adjusting duration is more meaningful with those short Pronto Hex strings, but I still don't see how it could fix any of the symptoms discussed here.

I understand why the long Pronto Hex strings malfunction as described earlier. But I still can't think of a second possible explanation for the malfunctions described for the short Pronto Hex strings. Are you really sure each short Pronto Hex string is the only action on each button's action list? ANY other action (not just other actions that send IR signals) would change the timing rules and could explain the symptoms.
Post 13 made on Sunday July 15, 2007 at 12:00
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Well Jonh, I had a similar problem wit a RJtech DVD recoder and the solution is the small codes and increase the duration to 0.4.

Icrease the duration using the short codes to .4 or .5
OP | Post 14 made on Sunday July 15, 2007 at 12:59
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I will give .4 and .5 a try.

The reason I only went to .10 is that for some reason things would hardly work when I got much past .04.

I just noticed something last night that might help. My IR receiver flashes green when it receives a signal, and when I use the regualar remote (or other touchscreen learning remote) I press the button and the "green light" shows up with no delay.

When I use the Pronto TSU3500, I press the command and and it takes about a half a second for the green light to show that the receiver had received the signal.

Let me know if that info does not make sense, and thank for your continued assistance.
OP | Post 15 made on Sunday July 15, 2007 at 13:08
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I tried .4, and still same issue. At least it did not freek things out like .05 - .10 did (not sure why .05 - .10 freeks things out).

However, I did notice something else. The green light on the IR receiver stays on longer as well when using the Pronto, and I would assume it cannot receive another signal until the 1st command finishes.

So it looks as if the signal getting from the remote to the IR receiver is slower with the Pronto, and that the signal continues for a longer interval than the orriginal remote.

I hope this exra info helps.
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