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ProntoEdit 4.0 Hex Codes
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Post 1 made on Sunday September 25, 2005 at 14:00
JoeS
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How can I display Hex Code from a CCF file in the Device Command section? I used to be able to left click on the Command on the right side of the Device section and hex codes would be displayed. I can't seem to be able to do this anymore.

Thanks.
Post 2 made on Sunday September 25, 2005 at 15:21
Lyndel McGee
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You will need to enable what is called Developer Mode.

[Link: remotecentral.com]

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Post 3 made on Sunday September 25, 2005 at 16:48
bomberjim
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If you ARE using PE 4.0, developer mode is already enabled. Double click on a learned code in the action list, then select "view ir". You can then copy and paste a new code.
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OP | Post 4 made on Sunday September 25, 2005 at 21:48
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Thanks. But when I copied and paste into the T2 Hex Window and pressed Add Code, it said Unknown Code Type Detected. Maybe this is not hex (8000 0000 0000 0000).
Post 5 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 08:50
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The Pronto Hex strings that begin with 8000 do not directly encode the IR signal. Instead they are references into the internal database.

In ProntoEdit, you should be able to see the device type, brand, code set and command of that IR signal.

The database is licensed, so ProntoEdit is designed to prevent you from getting access to the Pronto Hex stored inside the database. I have read, but not understood, descriptions of how to get signals out of the database with some older version of a program related to ProntoEdit. I don't know if there is a pratical method. If there is, it obviously violates the license for using that software.

If I understand correctly, your purpose is to copy the signal from a ccf file to some other brand of remotes that can use Pronto Hex but doesn't have the same database.

Maybe you can use the brand and device type info to find a similar entry in your own remote's database.

If it's a common code set, you can probably find some other CCF where the signals are learned, rather than selected from the database.

If you give more details (the correct string beginning 8000, and/or the type, brand and model of the device) I probably have more information.

(If it really was exactly 8000 0000 0000 0000, rather than something just similar to that, then something else is wrong. 8000 can only be a database reference but the rest of the string should tell what item in the database is referenced).
OP | Post 6 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 14:21
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The hex string was exactly as I typed in. I access the code to a command on the right hand side of the device page in the ProntoEdit4.0 software. It then showed me a bunch of different commands (e.g. Power On, Power Off, plus a bunch of other commands). I then hit View IR as someone had suggested on this thread. That's when the 8000 ............. code appeared. I copied this code by right clicking an use a Copy command. Then I went to my T2 device page where Hex codes can be pasted to correspond to a particular command (e.g., Power Off). That's when I got the message that it was an Unknown Code Type Detected.

As I said, this use to work fine with the old ProntoEdit software, but that was many years ago since I tried doing this. This is the first time I'm using ProntoEdit 4.0 software.

Thanks.
Post 7 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 15:41
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I just played with ProntoEdit a bit to find out how to reproduce that problem.

I did so by selecting a non existent command from the database. I think you did that as well. It is fairly easy to do by accident. Or maybe whoever built the CCF you are trying to use did it.

Where did you get the CCF you are using? If there is a URL for it, and you tell me what command you're looking at, I can look to see whether it was already set to a nonexistent entry in the database or whether there's a real signal there and you clicked something you shouldn't have while trying to get to it.
OP | Post 8 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 15:59
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John:

Can you email me or provide me with your email address? I'll email you the file that I received.

Thanks.
Post 9 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 16:53
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JoeS,

Although John is much more qualified than I concerning codes, one thing I don't understand. You refer to "the T2 hex window". What's a T2? If it's another remote and you're trying to paste the code into it's software, it won't work - 8000 is a pointer to a database which isn't available on a different (non-Pronto) remote. Likewise if you're trying to program a PDA as a remote using a ccf created with PE4. Even though software exists that allows this, with 8000 codes, the database isn't available on the remote (PDA).
Jim L
Post 10 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 17:11
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On 09/26/05 16:53 ET, bomberjim said...
Although John is much more qualified than I concerning
codes,

But you're probably more qualified concerning ProntoEdit, so feel free to jump in.

What's a T2?

I was curious about that too, but it doesn't seem to be relevent to the question at hand.

trying to paste the
code into it's software, it won't work - 8000
is a pointer to a database which isn't available
on a different (non-Pronto) remote.

Hopefully Joe already understood that from earlier discussion.

The questions still under discussion seem to be:

1) Why is an invalid database code appearing? What is really stored in that CCF file for that signal? A valid database code? A learned signal? Nothing?

2) If what is there were a valid database signal, how does one get that same signal programmed into a different type of remote? (Since you can't do so by simply copying the Pronto Hex beginning with 8000).
Post 11 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 18:03
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On 09/26/05 17:11 ET, johnsfine said...
I was curious about that too, but it doesn't seem
to be relevent to the question at hand.

I agree, unless the T2 he is referring to is an RTI Home Theater Touch Remote, which has models called a T2 and T2+.

But you're right, it's probably not that - just trying to cover all bases. ;-)
Jim L
Post 12 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 22:25
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I got the CCF file by email, but not any hint of where in the ProntoEdit gui I should look to find the problem signal.

On 09/26/05 14:21 ET, JoeS said...
I access
the code to a command on the right hand side of
the device page in the ProntoEdit4.0 software.

Maybe that ought to tell me. But it doesn't.

Also I happened to receive the email on a computer where I don't have ProntoEdit, just DecodeCCF. I'll email it to myself on another computer later. But for now, with DecodeCCF I can see there are NO database signals used in this CCF. So I'm pretty sure that 8000 0000 0000 0000 was created by user error while looking for the desired signal. It wasn't in the ccf before you looked.

Most of the signals in that emailed file are the same as the signals in the following CCF file at RC:
[Link: remotecentral.com]

But the signals in the emailed ccf are the clean form of RC5 (Pronto Hex starting 5000) that can't be imported by some other programs that use Pronto Hex.

The signals in that ccf at RC are imperfect learns that didn't get cleaned into the 5000 form, so they can be imported by such programs.

But if your objective is to import the signals into such a program, it's better to use DecodeCCF to decode them, then use MakeHex to reencode them, rather than get imperfect learns from different ccf.
Post 13 made on Monday September 26, 2005 at 23:56
Peter Dewildt
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I don't see anything that says what model Pronto you have. 8000 codes can't be used in the 1000. And an 8000 code from one model may not be available in another model.
Peter
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Post 14 made on Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 09:53
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JoeS must have misunderstood the UI of ProntoEdit.

Double click one of the RC5 signals (such as the one for a hard Key on the right side of Device Properties).

You get to the Add IR dialog:

It shows Devices = "A Proc", Brands = "Non applicable", and a big list of Functions.

I can see how a beginner might get confused and think that information has something to do with the contents of this device in this CCF file.

In fact it doesn't. It is a gui designed to help you CHANGE the signal to one selected from the database. But it lets you select functions from non existent code sets or select non existent functions from actual code sets (the complete list of database functions is always shown even if some of those functions aren't in the selected code set or even if the selected code set doesn't exist).
Post 15 made on Tuesday September 27, 2005 at 09:59
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On 09/25/05 14:00 ET, JoeS said...
How can I display Hex Code from a CCF file in
the Device Command section? I used to be able
to left click on the Command on the right side
of the Device section and hex codes would be displayed.

I always need to left double click it, but you seem to be getting beyond that point correctly.

That gets you to the Add IR dialog.

Don't touch any control in the IR Selection section of that dialog. All of that is for changing what is there, not viewing what is there.

If there is a "View IR" button, press it (it changes to a "Hide IR" button).

Then you can see the Pronto Hex, for example the vol- key in the Device Properties dialog of the CCF you emailed has the following Pronto Hex:
5000 0000 0000 0001 001c 000b
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