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compatiblity chart??
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Post 1 made on Thursday September 8, 2005 at 13:21
Doug_Kraz
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Hi all, I have a pronto tsu1000, and would like to upgrade. Since I spent SO much time programing it, I ONLY want to upgrade to a unit that will be compatible with my current ccf. Is there a compatibility chart somewhere on this site? Could someone maybe just list them. I am very comfident that a tsu2000 would be OK, but are there others??? Thanks a lot.

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OP | Post 2 made on Thursday September 8, 2005 at 13:24
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I guess a follow up question is --- Is there an EASY way to make a ccf programed for a tsu1000 "readable" by other pronto where they use a different operating system.
Post 3 made on Thursday September 8, 2005 at 14:52
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all Prontos can use it. Here is some more info

Pronto: 2000 uses CCF, same buttons, same screen size and same 4 shades, no reason to make any changes

Pronto Pro 6000: uses CCF, two more buttons, same screen size and 256 colours, so you will most likely want some changes (add function to other two buttons, change most B&W versions of icons for at least coloured versions

Pronto NG 3000: uses PCFs but can import CCFs and use them as is (more or less), like the 6000 it has 4 screen labelled buttons but it also has 8 more buttons arranged as a 4 way cursor and 4 buttons setup on either side of it so chances are a lot of functions can be moved off screen. Also one of those 8 new buttons is a home button. You can also use 100% of the screen (so more editable space) as well as 16 shades of grey. So even though you can use your CCF mostly as is, chances are that you will want a major rework sooner or later

ProntoPro 7000: same as Pronto 3000 but the screen uses 65K colours. So definitely not use sticking to the 4 of the TS-1000

there is also two new ones announced at CEDIA the 3500 and 7500 can't say anything on them


the 1000,2000,6000 are definitely off the market (old retired models) I am guessing the 3500/7500 will replace the 3000/7000 respectively, but to be honest nothing much is known on them. Ask in a couple of days (CEDIA expo started today and lasts until the end of the week end

PS if you can afford it go with the best, have not seen the 7500 but there is a 7000 review and I have seen it in person and except for some minor stuff it is MUCH better then the 1000 and there is no comparison
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OP | Post 4 made on Thursday September 8, 2005 at 16:55
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Then why is there a separate forum for Phiips Pronto NG and Philips Pronto Classic and why are the files for Philips Pronto NG TSU3000 & Pro TSU7000 different from Philips Pronto & ProntoPro if they are all compatibile???
Post 5 made on Thursday September 8, 2005 at 18:23
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they use different editors (that work somewhat differently) and different file formats.

Your question was with what can I use my CCF. The answer is :all

now what is the difference between classic and NG. Everything. different family of processors and OS. Also the file format is different a PCF can be unzipped into a folder containing bitmaps and an XML file. None of the old Pronto tools work with the NG (like for instance the decompiler) . The whole concept is different there is only one area now (device) instead of three (home, device, macro). there are also features like transparency that did not exist in the old Pronto but do exist now. So now you can actually have a round button.


Philips did three good stuff with the NG

1) they created in the editor an import function that takes a CCF and converts it to a PCF

2) Even though a PCF stores the IR codes differently the editor (PENG and PPENG) converts codes on the fly, so if you look at the code in the editor it looks like the old Pronto HEX

3) even though the remote uses something different and when you up UL/DL it needs to convert, the PCF is a simple XML document at heart and so if you fill like it you can mess around with it at that level.

Now why did Daniel separate the NG from classic (let's face it Philips calls the TS-1000 a Pronto and it also calls the TSU-3000 a Pronto - NG applies to the editor) my guess he thought different file extension, not everything works the same way, renaming of stuff (an alias is now a link, a panel is now a page a frame is now a panel....) and a one way file direction ( you can go CCF-> PCF but not the other way around)...... all of these reasons made it easier to think of them as different and give them separate sections. So that someone with a TS-1000 would not mistakenly try and DL a PCF for example
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OP | Post 6 made on Friday September 9, 2005 at 02:38
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Anthony your my hero--------- Thanks!!!!
Post 7 made on Friday September 9, 2005 at 03:57
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On 09/08/05 18:23 ET, Anthony said...
Your question was with what can I use my CCF.
The answer is :all

now what is the difference between classic and
NG. Everything.

One other thing; you can use the ccf in the NG units by importing them, but you couldn't go the other way if you wanted to.

Also, my favorite of all of these remotes was the Marantz RC5200. When the Pronto did not, this one had a cursor pad off the screen, making for fewer screens and faster operation, and it had the BACK command, which would take you back to the last screen you were on. I didn't think the BACK was such a big deal until I used it. Suddenly I didn't have to have a separate surround adjustment page for each device; I could link to one audio surround and one video surround page, then have the client hit BACK and go back to whatever component screen they had been on.

The newer remotes are better because of being brighter, but the RC5200 has a cursor pad that looks like a cursor pad, not like text you would see on Stargate SG-1. The symbols on the NG product are really stupid and hokey.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 8 made on Friday September 9, 2005 at 20:04
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The symbols on the NG product are really stupid and hokey.

agree

not to mention hard to see in the light (at least on the 7000)

but the RC5200 has a cursor pad that looks like a cursor pad

I thought the 5400 had the exact same look
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Post 9 made on Saturday September 10, 2005 at 05:40
Ernie Bornn-Gilman
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Yes, the 5400 does have the same look. I forgot it as I am still traumatized from my experience with the second 5400 (the first was a breeze), where the first version of wizz.it kept messing up and commands kept being modified by the remote, and the modified commands did not work...I still have that remote, although the firmware changes probably make the damn thing programmable now.
A good answer is easier with a clear question giving the make and model of everything.
"The biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- G. “Bernie” Shaw
Post 10 made on Saturday September 10, 2005 at 16:28
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don't knoiw, not a Marantz person
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