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OP | Post 16 made on Saturday August 7, 2004 at 15:21
njustus7
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The only buttons I need are "STANDARD", "ADV.SURR", "STEREO", and "MIDNIGHT/LOUDNESS". From what I can tell they cycle through through the different surround sound options when you press them. I've tried all sorts of combos to get the learning function to work, including different distances, lighting, and pressing for longer/shorter times. So far none have worked.

Today I was going to try and get another universal remote to learn the code and then try to get my Pronto to learn from that one. We'll see, but if you could supply your codes maybe they will work.
Post 17 made on Monday August 9, 2004 at 19:51
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For Standard, here's what works for me-- a macro of DSP, DTS. I put a pause of 0.1 sec, but I don't think it's needed.

For other surround modes, just add additional presses of the respective buttons to the macro. For example, I just added a button to set my receiver to Theatre 2 mode, which I like for old mono films. My macro is--
•DSP
•DTS (to get to Standard as a starting point)
•Pause 0.1 sec (this is needed)
•DSP
•Pause 0.1 sec
•DSP
•Pause 0.1 sec
•DSP
•Pause 0.1 sec
•DSP
•Pause 0.1 sec
•DSP
•Pause 0.1 sec
•DSP
•Pause 0.1 sec

For 2 Channel stereo, my macro becomes--
•DSP
•DTS (again to get to Standard as a starting point)
•Pause 0.2 sec (0.2 sec is needed on my receiver)
•DTS
•Pause 0.2 sec
•DTS
•Pause 0.2 sec
•DTS
•Pause 0.2 sec
•DTS
•Pause 0.2 sec

The beauty of these macros is that they work regardless of the mode that the receiver is in.

Here are the learned codes for these buttons--
DSP (as learned)
0000 0067 0044 0000 0158 00a9 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0016 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 03f5 0159 00a8 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 003f 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0016 0040 0015 0016 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 00a9

DTS (as learned)
0000 0067 0088 0000 0158 00a9 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0016 0040 0015 0016 0016 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 03f9 0158 00a8 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 03f5 0159 00a8 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0015 0016 0016 003f 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0016 0016 0040 0015 03f8 0159 00a8 0016 0040 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0016 0015 0015 0016 0016 003f 0016 003f 0016 0040 0015 0016 0016 003f 0016 003f 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 00a9

Midnight (as learned)
0000 0067 0000 0044 0159 00a9 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 003f 0015 0016 0016 003f 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0016 003f 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 03f5 0159 00a8 0016 003f 0015 0016 0016 003f 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 03f9

Loudness (as learned)
0000 0067 0000 0022 0159 00a8 0015 0041 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0015 0016 0040 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0040 0015 0016 0015 0040 0015 03f5
Post 18 made on Monday August 9, 2004 at 23:34
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return the Pioneer, and grab yourself a Yamaha RXV2400. case closed. I don't get it though. In this age of integration, more and more people entering the integration market wouldn't it be in the best interest of all of these manufacturers to make these codes readily available so as to secure their place in this growing industry. What's the secret, this ins't a NASA space shuttle luanch program, it's an IR command
Post 19 made on Tuesday August 10, 2004 at 00:45
Peter Dewildt
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Some of the 'secret' are:

- that if you don't ask the question the right way, or you ask the wrong person (who misinterprets the question), they think you are asking for the codes to take you in to the service menu. Quite legit for them not to disclose these.

- A lot of these guys have no idea what the term "discrete code" means. Discrete Code is not an industry term.

- It's also clear from the correspondence that one guy thought they were being asked for a codeset number not an actual code (I forget which one it is but one brand of universal remote you have to type in the internal number for the model device you want to control)
Peter
Pronto 1000 (retired), Pronto TSU7000, RFX6000 (retired)
Pronto 2xTSU9600, RFX9400
OP | Post 20 made on Monday August 16, 2004 at 13:48
njustus7
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I promised to reveal the codes that worked for me once everything was said and done. What ended up working was using a Sony remote to learn it from the Pioneer and then learning that one using the Pronto. Wacky I know.

Also, for some reason the Pronto learned better when I used the remote function and designated the hard buttons as the target, why this is the case I have no idea.

here they are:

STANDARD
0000 0066 0000 0044 0155 00AC 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0016 0016 0040 0016 0400 0155 00AC 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0400

ADV SURROUND
0000 0066 0000 0044 0155 00AC 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0400 0155 00AC 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 003F 0016 0014 0016 0014 0016 0400

STEREO/DIRECT
0000 0066 0000 0044 0155 00AB 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 0400 0155 00AB 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 003F 0017 0014 0017 0014 0017 0400

MIDNIGHT/LOUDNESS
0000 0066 0000 0044 0155 00AC 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0400 0155 00AC 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0040 0016 0040 0016 0015 0016 0015 0016 0400

Thanks so much for everyone that replied..!
Post 21 made on Monday August 16, 2004 at 21:38
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Thanks for the discrete for Standard. It beats my workaround for getting to Standard.
Post 22 made on Wednesday August 25, 2004 at 05:09
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Hi.

what email address did you send info requests to pioneer at?

Are there any IR guru's out there that can get in touch with me regarding setting up a simple way to keep problems like this from happening?

Thanks

Joshua Kairoff
Director, Display Engineering
Pioneer Electronics
2265 E 220th St.
Long Beach, CA 90810
310.952-3062 - Direct Line
Post 23 made on Wednesday August 25, 2004 at 08:10
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On 08/25/04 09:09 ET, joshkpdp said...
Are there any IR guru's out there that can get
in touch with me regarding setting up a simple
way to keep problems like this from happening?

If your intention is to improve the way your company communicates remote control data to advanced users, I'm sure almost any of the IR gurus here would be glad to assist you.

My email address is in my profile (see the link above each of my posts here).
Post 24 made on Friday August 27, 2004 at 14:25
Anthony
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First I would like to thank you for coming here


I am definitely not of johnsfine calibre and don't consider myself a guru, but if I can help I am willing. and my e-mail is in my profile as well.


Now if all you want is some simple info:

1) a macro is a series of automated commands that are sent at the press of one key, many remotes have them even some of the cheaper ones

---for instance someone might create a "watch DVD" macro that turns on the display, receiver, DVD, switches them to the correct input and starts the DVD) .

2) discrete commands are codes that have one and only one function and are extremely important and helpful for macros, for instance most equipment/remotes have a power button (called a toggle command)if the TV is on it goes off and if off it goes on (toggles between on and off). now if someone builds a "watch DVD" button and adds a power command he can get in trouble if he was watching TV earlier (i.e. the display will be turned off because it was already on). So that is why we consider discrete commands important (i.e. if we had a separate on command and off command he could put the on command in the macro and the TV will not care that it was already on, it will just keep it that way.

---- these can be important for many commands such as power, input, and even others like aspect ratio and stuff that might be in the menus.....

3) If your equipment does have discrete codes that are not on the original remote your next question will be how to make them available to the biggest public. There are two choices: make them available in the manner you have them; or, easier for the users make them available in Pronto HEX notation or in a Pronto CCF. Why Pronto? it is a simple schema that has almost become a standard, for instance it covers the Philips Prontos, the Pronto clones, the PC programmable HTM / URC remotes have the capabilities to import IR codes from Pronto CCFs and the Harmony remotes and RTI remotes can translate Pronto HEX in their editors and for people with the inexpensive one for all remotes that have added JP1 capabilities there are tools out there that can do the translation (I think John might have created one of them). These cover a lot of remotes and many of the biggest remote makers (and especially if you limit to the ones that can be programmed using a PC)

4)understanding Pronto HEX and making Pronto HEX: there are several good articles on the subject in the file area here and utilities that can help you build the library. Those articles are the ones that I used to understand Pronto HEX

5) what to do with codes: some companies have them on their web site, an other thing is if you built a CCF you can download it to this site or you can send Daniel Tonks (runs this site) the discrete codes so that he can put them in the
discrete code section

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so that is what you can do with the commands that you currently have, but if you look at the threads here (or any of the remote forums, the installer forums and the discrete code forums) you will see that people put a lot of attention into buying equipment with a lot of discrete codes. Some companies have catered to that need, especially since it probably does not cost any thing more to produce, so it is probably all in the initial R&D and is probably the easiest to add to the next generation. So I would recommend to do like Yamaha and if there is a way of doing it without a discrete then just add a discrete way of doing it.

This message was edited by Anthony on 08/27/04 16:21 ET.
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Post 25 made on Friday August 27, 2004 at 15:04
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Something wrong with Anthony's post here? On my display, the "reply" and "quote and reply" links are halfway down his post on the right hand side. Additionally, unless Anthony's narcolepsy kicked in again ;-) it looks like the post was chopped off.

A problem with the length of post and the new board format perhaps?
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Post 26 made on Friday August 27, 2004 at 15:05
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I disagree with half of Anthony's long suggestion. My opinion is that you (manufacturer providing some advanced support) shouldn't spend your time learning about Prontos or Pronto hex:

You (almost any manufacturer) have internal information describing your IR commands in some concise notation. For example your "VCR1" command may be A50F. A concise notation has many advantages over Pronto Hex, and a notation you're already using has advantages over one you'd need to translate into.

There are enough IR gurus around in the various forums to translate that A50F into JP1 "Pioneer:165:15" or Pronto
0000 0068 0000 0022 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 06D9
Or various other formats.

I will of course agree with the suggestion to provide the info in some form and to design discretes consistently into future models.
Post 27 made on Friday August 27, 2004 at 16:40
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Jim: it was an error in my post (bad HTML)

John: I did not say he should or shouldn't, I even said what you said

[quote]make them available in the manner you have them; or, easier for the users make them available in Pronto HEX notation or in a Pronto CCF.[/quote]

(and no the edit was to correct HTML not to add that at #3

the reason I said Pronto HEX is better (in my opinion)is

1) that most end users don't understand what to do with "A50F" but know what to do with Pronto HEX and that is for many remotes and not just Prontos.

2) also if the guy or his engineers need help understanding IR it is either that they had no idea what the person was talking about (so I gave 1 and 2) or that they wanted to give something intelligible to the end user (so I explained where to get the info on Pronto HEX)

3) there are many people ready to help, but I will be honest, I for one am not looking for a career, if something is more usable and I don't need to help translating it, then I am all for it :-), I had to learn how to understand Pronto HEX (thanks to the texts) to be able to create all the possible codes for an important device (new the codes existed but not what they were) and I am willing to help others if needed, but to be honest, if all IR problems were fixed and the info was commonly available and there were no more IR questions I would not miss it
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Post 28 made on Friday August 27, 2004 at 16:48
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I agree with John.

I'm always far more comfortable when I have a protocol description from the manufacturer. Converting between protocols used by various remotes (or other transmitters) is simple but finding a reliable description of a protocol is not.

Lacking specs from a manufacturer, I like to have multiple descriptions from other sources, usually from those who have reverse engineered the protocol. A potential problem with that is that one or more apparently independent sources may actually be derived from a single source.

Lacking the above sources, I'll reverse engineer a protocol myself. I've done this for several RF protocols. But, this can mean buying hardware for which I have no need so I only do that when there is no other choice, when I think there will be a lot of people who might be able to make use of the results, and when the hardware doesn't cost a lot. Since I live in the USA and most of the RF protocols are only useful outside the USA, I often have to rely on manufacturers (or dealers) who see merit in making the protocols available.
Post 29 made on Friday September 10, 2004 at 13:12
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Hi All,
I have tried converting every variation of listed Hex Codes in this thread, using the CCF2MX program and have not had any luck getting the "Loudness/Midnight" button to work on my MX-500. I have managed to get everything else working, so now it's more a challange than anything else. As someone else pointed out, the MX-500 doesn't seem to want to learn many of the Pioneer codes.

I realize this might be the wrong place to post this request, but does anyone have any hex code strings that I might try converting ith CCF2MX?

Thanks for everyone's patience.

Frank Dz
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Post 30 made on Friday September 10, 2004 at 13:35
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did any of you guys try contacting Joshua Kairoff? just wondering if he even knows that people said they were willing to help
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