Your Universal Remote Control Center
RemoteCentral.com
Blu-ray & DVD Forum - View Post
Previous section Next section Previous page Next page Up level
Up level
The following page was printed from RemoteCentral.com:

Login:
Pass:
 
 

Page 2 of 2
Topic:
DVD - Audio
This thread has 19 replies. Displaying posts 16 through 20.
OP | Post 16 made on Monday October 11, 1999 at 00:27
Barry
Historic Forum Post
Well, John B., your 200 disk DVD changer has arrived. Check out the Sony DVP-CX850D. No DVD Audio capability, though.
OP | Post 17 made on Tuesday October 12, 1999 at 16:08
John B
Historic Forum Post
Thanks Rick. It's wonderful that DVD audio will handle frequencies up to 96K. Even if you buy that stuff about inaudible highs affecting the presence of the music, whose speakers & amp under $5K each go above 20K?

Barry, I'm #16 on the waiting list at Cameraworld. Anyone know where I can get one NOW in the USA?
OP | Post 18 made on Tuesday October 12, 1999 at 17:59
Matt Elton
Historic Forum Post
Gentlemen, gentlemen, I feel that very few of you realise the potential of DVD A. I'd wager that none of you, including me I might add, have systems anywhere near good enough to release the full sonic qualities of the new format!! DVD A is capable of sampling at 192k. This means that the top end frequency responce will exceed that of the best vinyl replay systems. DVD A will revolutionise the way we store music. Oh and by the way 74mins of playback is at the highest sampling rate (192k) and at 24bit resolution. There are few systems that can do justise to real 24bit, let along 24/192k. Having said all that though, the majority of DVD players sold today will be well and truly stomped on by the fourth and fifth generations yet to come at half the price. My advice would be if you want DVD today buy something that can be upgraded. Machines with this capability are not cheap, but the picture and sound quality will blow your mind, manufacturers like Theta, Meridian, Califonia Labs to name but a few will be just perfect...

Cheers All
OP | Post 19 made on Friday October 15, 1999 at 16:23
John B
Historic Forum Post
Interesting view Matt. Seems there are 2 questions here.
1. Should I buy now or wait for (insert tech advance here)? My answer is buy now. There will always be another, better tech advance. If you wait, you may end up waiting forever.
2. Should I buy mass market consumer gear or expensive "state of the art" gear. Obviously, it's a question of how fat your wallet is. However, from experience, I've found that most times when I went for the "state of the art" gear, I predicted wrong. My "state of the art" gear was quickly very outdated, often times by something incompatible. In particular, I understand that Sony and others have a competing format to replace audio CDs. How sure are you that DVD Audio will win this war? (I for one don't plan on replacing all my gear just to improve the "presense" of my music. However, I will replace my amp to get DTS and my TV to get a sharp picture to match my new DVD.) My answer to this question is to buy known technology and get the best quality you can afford. If Theta, Meridian, etc are within your budget, you're a lucky dog. However, if DVD Audio takes off, DVD Audio players, amps & speakers will be much cheaper in a year or two, when there will actually be software for them.
OP | Post 20 made on Saturday October 16, 1999 at 12:56
Rovert
Historic Forum Post
Ok, so I just HAVE to chime in here with MY two cents, and hopefully, a bit of rational, common sense.

Allow me to carry on a bit.

Let's use a litlle logic here. Form follows function... round peg into a round hole... application should mirror environment.

Multichannel MOVIE sound makes sense, because the action on the screen in a fictional environment can change perspective, and objects can shift their audible perspective from front to back, or from side to side, such as a space ship flying overhead, or a bullet zinging left to right. Fine. So it makes SENSE to have an application of multichannel sound in a system capable of recreating that fictional soundstage, in the context of recreating the fictional story that the director is telling.

Musical performances, however, are VERY different.

In a LIVE, NATURAL, MUSICAL ENVIRONMENT where you are an observer... NOT a performer... the soundstage and performers do not move. Well, OK they do a LITTLE, but you know what I mean... they are static, anchored on a stage.

Anyone who's been to Carnegie Hall or Lincoln Center will tell you that the Cello player isn't 20 feet behind you near the Men's room. He's on stage in front of your listening environment. And that extends beyond "high theater" to Rock, Jazz, whatever genre you chose. When did you ever have a musician playing an instrument while he walked around or behind you?

IMHO, multichannel sound for musical reproduction (beyond left and right channels) is a farce, and a contrivance, and silliness galore. The whole concept of STEREO is that it is an artifact of our BINAURAL HUMAN CONFIGURATION.

Let's think about this for a moment... humans have two eyes, two ears, and we use the parallax to localize sounds and vision to recreate depth and perspective. Using the arguement for multichannel sound would be like trying to build a case for a 6-eyed binocular. Or how about six-fingered gloves?!?!?

Musical performance is static, and that is why the whole concept of 4, 6, whatever many channels some marketer wants to dupe us into, is nothing more than an ARTIFICIAL CONCOCTION to get more money out of your pocket.

It's great to TALK about the fact that you can "be in the middle of the performance", but so what? What purpose does that serve? When was the last time you were on stage with the performers? When was the last time you sat on the bench with Andre Watts or stood next to Jose Carreras? Never, no doubt.

To recreate such a fictional environment is a disservice to yourself, because it has no basis in reality... and the next time you spend $50 for theater tickets, you're going to be sadly disappointed that there isn't a violin player up your butt. That would be a truly artificial audio soundstage. Pah. Fooey.

It's all sillyness galore, and IMHO, much ado about nothing. The benefit DVD-A brings (if I understand it correctly) is storage capacity. Plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Where I'm concerned, I'd much rather use the storage capacity to ADD QUANTITY or VALUE, and give us an operatic performance on a single DVD instead of multiple CD-ROMS. That makes sense. It also makes sense to add some "added content" like text, or biographies, or interviews, and whatnot. It might even make sense to sample the audio at a higher bitrate (I'm not sure I'm convinced on that point, either, but hey, I'll listen...)

But to take a nonmoving audio performance and turn it into somehting that has no bearing in reality is ridiculous. Form follows function... even if you can't SEE it, but have to HEAR it.

Ok, I'm done now... (g)
Page 2 of 2


Jump to


Protected Feature Before you can reply to a message...
You must first register for a Remote Central user account - it's fast and free! Or, if you already have an account, please login now.

Please read the following: Unsolicited commercial advertisements are absolutely not permitted on this forum. Other private buy & sell messages should be posted to our Marketplace. For information on how to advertise your service or product click here. Remote Central reserves the right to remove or modify any post that is deemed inappropriate.

Hosting Services by ipHouse