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Post 16 made on Monday October 18, 2021 at 07:46
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On October 18, 2021 at 00:27, tomciara said...
I dunno.

This is going to be a stone fireplace, obviously making a statement.

Making all that space requires No Stone to a large extent behind the entire TV. Fine when the TV is tight to the wall, but ugly when angled toward the kitchen.

Sound like you need to add a tv in the kitchen. In my experience, most homeowners don’t pull there TVs out and move them around.
Post 17 made on Monday October 18, 2021 at 12:13
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On October 18, 2021 at 07:46, lippavisual said...
Sound like you need to add a tv in the kitchen. In my experience, most homeowners don’t pull there TVs out and move them around.

I agree. It almost always seems like the TV is either always against the wall or always pulled out and aimed at the same spot. The ergonomics of almost all articulating mounts are terrible when it comes to actually manipulating the panel.
Post 18 made on Monday October 18, 2021 at 15:13
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I agree that it CAN be done. It COULD be really cool. But in reality, it is just a PITA for everyone.

If all you had to mount to the TV was a Roku or Apple TV, maybe go for it. But remotely locating the equipment on your list is ideal. Motorized is a no-brainer, however has its caveats as well. The biggest one for me, is that none that I can see, after a quick search through my normal sources for such things, tilts vertically at all. Being above a fireplace, normally, you would tilt the TV downward. Depending on how high the mantle is and how far the seating is, this may or may not be a deal breaker, but something to consider. Now I am not 100% sure why most TVs mounted above seated height seem to be tilted downward. It seems to be the norm. Maybe to reduce glare from lights or windows? Maybe because the viewing angle is so bad that the TV image is all wonky at that angle?

Also, if you draw up something showing what it looks like when the TV is away from the fancy stone wall, and that there will be 2-3 large black boxes showing, your decorator friend might have second thoughts about what she is really asking for.

But as always, and mentioned above, its all about what the customer wants and is willing to compromise, and pay for. Deal with them directly, and inform them well enough to make the decision. Do not let the contractor or ID make it for them.
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Post 19 made on Monday October 18, 2021 at 21:00
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On October 16, 2021 at 10:02, highfigh said...
Does this fireplace have a big, masonry chimney? Sounds like it- the interior detonator needs to be welcomed into the real world.

Does this place have a basement? If so, you know what to do. If not, the homeowners need to take that ride to the real world, too.

I'm trying to finish a house where the homeowners said they didn't want to see speakers or sound bars near the TVs, each of which is over a fireplace- I told them the sound will be better if they're at the front, but they didn't want that, so I said I could install them over the sofas. No chance of a centrally-located speaker in either room because it's an older house with exposed beams placed, you guessed it- dead center. Last week, I got a text message saying that the sound at the family room sofa is odd, coming from overhead, so we discussed the situation on Monday. Now, I have to find a small 5.1 AVR for the living room which Snap sells, but isn't expected to arrive until November 30, if even then. The plan was always to use enclosures behind that TV, but not to need an amplifier for more speakers. Since they want a Samsung Frame TV, there's not an option for me to use an articulating mount because they want it as close to the wall as possible and the framing/drywall/plaster/paint are done.

If only I could read minds.....

Could a future automation articulating mount with a in wall box work?
Post 20 made on Monday October 18, 2021 at 22:07
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I would never, ever, ever. Ever. EVER wire three rooms worth of speakers to the back of a TV. Find a cabinet somewhere, almost anywhere in the house or a closet or an unfinished area of the basement if there’s a basement and run the speaker wires there and a TECH TUBE to the TV from there. Now you’re future proof and the system is serviceable.
Post 21 made on Tuesday October 19, 2021 at 14:27
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Capitalizing the words TECH TUBE looks like a way to emphasize that it's the greatest thing ever. I admit I only took a quick look at Tech Tube, but it looks like neat stuff... but not so neat as to spec it instead of PVC pipe. What are its advantages over PVC other than wall thickness (or thinness, really)? Various plastics, and also aluminum, seem to me to be able to function as well.
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Post 22 made on Tuesday October 19, 2021 at 17:52
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Not unless they built in plenty of ventilation. You ever touch a Sonos Amp, or cable box while they are playing.

By the way, the proper term is: "Inferior Desecrator".
Post 23 made on Tuesday October 19, 2021 at 20:17
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Tech Tube also caught my attention, thought it might be a new cool marketing term. Google says it's a brand name of UK conduit.
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Post 24 made on Wednesday October 20, 2021 at 08:03
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On October 18, 2021 at 21:00, ichbinbose said...
Could a future automation articulating mount with a in wall box work?

No- the wall behind the TV is finished and since it's a masonry fireplace/chimney, the insulation must be left intact and the framing isn't going to be changed at this point. I had to wait for everyone else to finish their work before I could do more than prewire and now that the homeowners have heard the results of their desire to not see speakers near the TV, they want just that- speakers near the TV. The living room is easy- cut the holes and use the second pair of wires in the speaker cables but the family room is tricky since I would have to cut the ceiling in the closet for the equipment and drill through a joist to get the speaker cable into the space needed for the speakers and I really didn't look into that before the ceiling was closed since it had already been drywalled before I ran the cables across the joists- the ceiling had fake wooden beams going front to back, attached to the joists and when they were removed, gaps between the drywall and nailers were revealed, which allowed me to drill for the cables.

I should have used my Magic 8 Ball.
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Post 25 made on Wednesday October 20, 2021 at 08:07
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On October 19, 2021 at 14:27, Ernie Gilman said...
Capitalizing the words TECH TUBE looks like a way to emphasize that it's the greatest thing ever. I admit I only took a quick look at Tech Tube, but it looks like neat stuff... but not so neat as to spec it instead of PVC pipe. What are its advantages over PVC other than wall thickness (or thinness, really)? Various plastics, and also aluminum, seem to me to be able to function as well.

White PVC can be damaged by the plasticizers in communication cabling.
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Post 26 made on Thursday October 21, 2021 at 03:18
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On October 20, 2021 at 08:07, highfigh said...
White PVC can be damaged by the plasticizers in communication cabling.

There's black and gray, too.
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Post 27 made on Thursday October 21, 2021 at 08:43
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On October 21, 2021 at 03:18, Ernie Gilman said...
There's black and gray, too.

That's true, but you didn't specify color.
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Post 28 made on Sunday November 7, 2021 at 21:45
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On October 16, 2021 at 10:44, tomciara said...
I appreciate the input. The more I think about it, the less I like the idea.

There are always more details of course. It is a former brick fireplace that is going to be covered over with stone. The articulating mount is going to take up a good portion of the center area, so I picture the electronics left and right of the mount. The stone would have to be wide open in the mount area, plus amp space left and right, so a non-stone opening 30” high by 48” wide.

Pull the TV out and angle it towards the kitchen and you you get ugly.

can they furr the wall out to create more wall depth?
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OP | Post 29 made on Monday November 8, 2021 at 18:16
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I never met the designer, suspect she knew somebody that would try and pull it off. They told me they would go in another direction, so I guess I am out!
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