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Genelec Speakers?
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Post 16 made on Sunday January 10, 2021 at 21:31
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If you have a chance check out PMC Speakers. They have a wide range of powered and passive speakers and they are available in wood veneers for a domestic setting. I've owned them and they were some of my favorite speakers
Post 17 made on Monday January 11, 2021 at 09:19
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On January 10, 2021 at 21:31, Shoe said...
If you have a chance check out PMC Speakers. They have a wide range of powered and passive speakers and they are available in wood veneers for a domestic setting. I've owned them and they were some of my favorite speakers

Now THIS is what I'm talkin' about!

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Post 18 made on Monday January 11, 2021 at 21:02
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You would think that studio or mastering monitor would be as neutral as possible. The differences in sound signature between studio monitors varies as much as the differences between home hifi speakers.
Post 19 made on Tuesday January 12, 2021 at 08:13
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On January 11, 2021 at 21:02, mrtristan said...
You would think that studio or mastering monitor would be as neutral as possible. The differences in sound signature between studio monitors varies as much as the differences between home hifi speakers.

'Neutral', compared to what? That's like people saying they want their system to be 'accurate'.

There's no way anyone wants hearing fatigue after a long day of mixing- it sometimes takes days to recover and that costs money if they can't work or are impaired.

I think the Genelec and Dynaudio are pretty easy to listen to- the B&W, JBL and Yamaha weren't. Some of the KRK, Audex and M-Audio are decent, too.

Personally, I don't want some instruments to be reproduced with total accuracy- drums & cymbals, electric guitars and many others are not pleasant to be near, but they can record extremely well. It's the mics, effects, mixing & mastering that make great-sounding recordings. A great audio system makes it sound the way it was intended, or not- some 'great' speaker sound fine for some types of music and some instruments, but some sound really good for a wider variety.
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Post 20 made on Tuesday January 12, 2021 at 09:23
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"Intended" depends where you sit in the venue. If you sit where the speaker designer sits, you are more likely to enjoy his speakers.
Post 21 made on Tuesday January 12, 2021 at 21:12
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We carry Genelec as well as some other pro brands. I think they are wonderful sounding speakers with a good recording. They do call a spade a spade so to speak. You might not enjoy their detail if it isn't a good recording. They measure extremely well, literally the best I have seen. They are an accurate speaker and if you want to hear something how it is on the source these are your speakers. I can't say that about all studio monitors being accurate. Like hifi speakers some studio monitors have their own flavor.

I have done homes with studio monitors and in general I would prefer an active speaker system and all its advantages over a passive speaker. Passive speakers have advantages in cost and ease of wiring in that you don't have to get power to each speaker. But, for performance active speakers win with everything being equal, same drivers, design, etc.

I think if battery power was ever good enough it would be great to have a wireless active system that is battery powered that could last a year before recharging/replacing. You could have the display also have the surround decoder and send the signal to the various speakers/subs. You wouldn't even need a processor. I don't think battery technology is good enough yet unfortunately.
OP | Post 22 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 00:34
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On January 12, 2021 at 21:12, BobL said...
We carry Genelec as well as some other pro brands. I think they are wonderful sounding speakers with a good recording. They do call a spade a spade so to speak. You might not enjoy their detail if it isn't a good recording. They measure extremely well, literally the best I have seen. They are an accurate speaker and if you want to hear something how it is on the source these are your speakers. I can't say that about all studio monitors being accurate. Like hifi speakers some studio monitors have their own flavor.

I have done homes with studio monitors and in general I would prefer an active speaker system and all its advantages over a passive speaker. Passive speakers have advantages in cost and ease of wiring in that you don't have to get power to each speaker. But, for performance active speakers win with everything being equal, same drivers, design, etc.

I think if battery power was ever good enough it would be great to have a wireless active system that is battery powered that could last a year before recharging/replacing. You could have the display also have the surround decoder and send the signal to the various speakers/subs. You wouldn't even need a processor. I don't think battery technology is good enough yet unfortunately.

Bob sounds like you've used them more in a music studio setting. Ever used them in a resi theater? Perhaps they need acoustic treatment to mitigate harshness in home setting?
Post 23 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 09:36
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When I say neutral, I mean perfectly flat frequency response including the room. I know that’s impossible but wouldn’t that be the ultimate goal? If your system was perfectly flat and so was the studio, then you would hear the sound exactly as intended. If every system were to strive for that perfectly flat response then there would be no question about what sounds better. In reality, every design skews the response greatly enough that we can still have arguments about what sounds better.
Post 24 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 11:41
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I think that one goal could be to reproduce the original wavefront from the performance venue and release it into the listening environment. But, this would be imperfect too because the original wavefront would stumble over quirks in the listening environment. (Surfaces and objects that were not present during the recording session)

In some cases I would not want to capture the original ambience. I can recall one concert where I was sitting in a premium, but acoustically unfortunate spot. There was a nasty slap from a surface that should have been inert. This was a premium hall and world class full orchestra, not some high school gym or auditorium.
Post 25 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 12:41
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On January 12, 2021 at 21:12, BobL said...
I think if battery power was ever good enough it would be great to have a wireless active system that is battery powered that could last a year before recharging/replacing. You could have the display also have the surround decoder and send the signal to the various speakers/subs. You wouldn't even need a processor. I don't think battery technology is good enough yet unfortunately.

Batteries would need huge reserve capacity and if you think about the battery banks in yachts, they work well, but the large ones are bulky and expensive. Fortunately, the ones for an audio system have a good amount of down-time, so a charging circuit could be built-in and operate on a 12V (or 24, 48V feed), on speaker wire if the current isn't too high.
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Post 26 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 13:13
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I have used them in residential settings for HT and 2 channel customers. I don't find them harsh at all unless it is in the recording. They are accurate and detailed. They don't have peaks and dips like many consumer speakers making them more bright, warm or whatever other description people use.

Room treatments are important no matter what speakers you are using but they are not typically used to change frequency response and more to control reflections except bass traps. You will not see a big change in measurements with acoustic treatments using sweeps except for frequencies below the Schroeder frequency.
There are other factors like high frequencies lose energy quicker so you will see a drop in high frequencies the further you sit.

Room mode problems below the Schroeder frequency will show in measurements and need to be corrected no matter what the speakers.
Post 27 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 15:02
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On January 13, 2021 at 09:36, mrtristan said...
When I say neutral, I mean perfectly flat frequency response including the room. I know that’s impossible but wouldn’t that be the ultimate goal? If your system was perfectly flat and so was the studio, then you would hear the sound exactly as intended. If every system were to strive for that perfectly flat response then there would be no question about what sounds better. In reality, every design skews the response greatly enough that we can still have arguments about what sounds better.

In reality, most listeners don’t like fully neutral sound. Go back to 2 channel,days when we had bass, treble, LOUDNESS controls? I’d wager maybe 1 of 10 used flat, regardless of the setup.
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Post 28 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 15:27
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On January 13, 2021 at 15:02, tomciara said...
In reality, most listeners don’t like fully neutral sound. Go back to 2 channel,days when we had bass, treble, LOUDNESS controls? I’d wager maybe 1 of 10 used flat, regardless of the setup.

Yeah, but most speakers needed all the help they could get. Ever listen to MicroAcoustics FRM-1a speakers and not lose your mind?

I found a pair of those on Craig's List and sent the link to a friend I had worked with at a stereo store- he's originally from Boston and, like many, is very opinionated- especially when it comes to sound in general, midrange specifically. When he called, the first thing I heard was "Are you trying to kill me?". I would consider Bose instead of those. The weird thing- MicroAcoustics made really nice sounding phono cartridges.
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Post 29 made on Wednesday January 13, 2021 at 16:11
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If listeners don't like neutral sound then what should we be trying to sell them? Sonos, Bose, Klipsch...etc..Are you trying to sell high end and if so does that mean something that sounds more neutral or accurate? Why bother if most people aren't going to appreciate it. Personally I sometimes enjoy a more laid back speaker but the average customer may find that boring. I think we are put in a situation where we are trying to sell good sound when if fact we are mostly not sure how the room is going to sound with any speaker. I do not spend too much time making promises or explaining how good a speaker is going to sound because I think most people are going to be happy with most decent products. We have no control really of the final outcome unless we want to use software to predict the outcome. There are too many factors to consider...What I know is I hate reviewers in magazines and website who critisize wifi and electronics while having no technical, scientific or engineering backgrounds and people put a lot of weight on their opinions. I don't believe there is a perfect speaker product out there for every application and people can literally go insane trying to find that. Glad they are not my customers!
Post 30 made on Thursday January 28, 2021 at 03:21
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I'm still confused. Why wouldn't you want to use the same monitors as the mastering engineer? Sure, the room will make a huge difference, but I have spent my career in mastering environments, and the most common monitor is Genelec. These are in rooms designed by acousticians, any they are amazing.

The same applies to other things like, cable, DAC's, displays, etc. If Belden 9451 cable is what the engineer mixed on, why would you want something like monster cable? I think many of the passive speakers and amps used in the consumer market are the equivalent of monster cable.
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