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2.35:1 Rabbit Hole
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Post 1 made on Thursday May 16, 2019 at 06:57
Don Heany
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Folks, I have a client with a Runco RS-1100 and McKinley lens attachment shining onto a fixed 2.35:1 grayhawk. Is Panamorph my only option? Is the DPI d-scope getting a refresh? The screen is built into gorgeous custom casework but it seems that going with a rebuild to a 16:9 screen is the best option. Has anyone coupled the Panamorph option to a Sony 4K laser successfully?
Post 2 made on Thursday May 16, 2019 at 09:19
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i thought the sony's had a lens memory function that can zoom out to fit a 235 picture on the screen
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Post 3 made on Thursday May 16, 2019 at 10:52
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On May 16, 2019 at 09:19, FunHouse Texas said...
i thought the sony's had a lens memory function that can zoom out to fit a 235 picture on the screen

The 885 and up do for sure
OP | Post 4 made on Thursday May 16, 2019 at 16:50
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Thanks gentlemen- that’s a great avenue.
Post 5 made on Thursday May 16, 2019 at 17:23
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use The panamorph lens. Which Sony laser are you using? They list comparable models on thier site. Don’t screw you client using lens memory
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OP | Post 6 made on Thursday May 16, 2019 at 21:08
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On May 16, 2019 at 17:23, Stryker said...
use The panamorph lens. Which Sony laser are you using? They list comparable models on thier site. Don’t screw you client using lens memory

Looked at it briefly yesterday, the ceiling mount made me wince a bit as the projector is mounted mid wall to center on the screen. Might be a worthy modification though. Thanks for the heads up!
Post 7 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 08:41
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how would using the zoom feature be any different optically than using an outboard lens for 235 material?
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Post 8 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 09:11
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On May 17, 2019 at 08:41, FunHouse Texas said...
how would using the zoom feature be any different optically than using an outboard lens for 235 material?

Resolution.
Post 9 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 14:02
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unless you are manipulating the broadcast image electronically (like keystone) the resolution should not change. if the lens is the only thing changing it should not affect resolution.
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Post 10 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 14:55
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When using a lens, the 2.35 image is squished in from the sides electronically and outputs a full 16x9 4K image and the lens stretches that result back to the screens 2.35 ratio. So you're using all the pixels of the projector's chip set.

When zooming, you're throwing away a third of the pixels, by 'displaying them' off the 2.35 screen.
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Post 11 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 15:37
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Post 12 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 17:39
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RS-1100 was 1080p anyway. a Zoomed Sony 665 is still going to have 3x the pixel resolution in 2.35 Zoom Mode.
Post 13 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 20:14
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On May 16, 2019 at 06:57, Don Heany said...
Folks, I have a client with a Runco RS-1100 and McKinley lens attachment shining onto a fixed 2.35:1 grayhawk. Is Panamorph my only option? Is the DPI d-scope getting a refresh? The screen is built into gorgeous custom casework but it seems that going with a rebuild to a 16:9 screen is the best option. Has anyone coupled the Panamorph option to a Sony 4K laser successfully?

IF you end up going 16:9 don't rebuild. Just make felt covered boards to bring it to 16:9. Easy fix and allows you to go back if the client decides he cant live with the tiny screen :).
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OP | Post 14 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 20:39
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On May 17, 2019 at 20:14, Mac Burks (39) said...
IF you end up going 16:9 don't rebuild. Just make felt covered boards to bring it to 16:9. Easy fix and allows you to go back if the client decides he cant live with the tiny screen :).

Lol, reminds me of the old SNL Shishack Home Theater skit!

Broadcast content was a battle back at the time of the original install too.
Post 15 made on Friday May 17, 2019 at 21:48
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rabbit hole indeed. you cannot make pixels appear that were never there to begin with.

High-def projectors have an aspect ratio of 16:9. A 2.35:1 image on Blu-ray is 1920 pixels wide but only 800 or so pixels high, with the remaining pixels going to waste to encode black letterbox bars.

with a outboard lens combo the goal is to have the projector electronically stretch (manipulate) the 2.35:1 image in the vertical dimension, so the display chip’s full pixel array is dedicated to showing only the active image area, not black bars as well. The lens then optically stretches the image in the horizontal dimension. When this is done right, you get a 1920 x 1080 image with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio (the projected pixels are rectangular instead of square). It cannot increase the actual resolution; there are only those original 1920 x 800 pixels in the 2.35:1 source to begin with.

But it does use all the pixels on the projector’s imaging chips, which is where you get the potential for added brightness. The downside is A possible loss of resolution due to the added processing and optical elements involved. The latter could also potentially decrease image contrast.

also - what about movies that switch between 16-9 and 1-78 in the middle of the movie?
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