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Google Ending "Works with Google" and IFTTT
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| Topic: | Google Ending "Works with Google" and IFTTT This thread has 11 replies. Displaying all posts. |
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| Post 1 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 10:57 |
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Anyone else receive email correspondence the past few days regarding this? I got an email saying that Google is moving all the Nest accounts over so its on the Google Server calling it "Google Nest". I have noticed on other threads that Google will end its "Works with Nest" and IFTTT integration by end of August this year. This will affect a lot of us who have integrated Nest thermostats into homes with a control system. [Link: the-ambient.com][Link: google.com]
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| Post 2 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 11:11 |
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Yep, got into a discussion about it yesterday.... Looks like they're creating their own ecosystem. Works with Nest goes dark on Aug. 31.
That being said, the platform is open to 3rd parties. So, I'd imagine that your favorite control system would still be able to work..Not sure if it will work on Sept. 1..or if you're favorite control system will have to rework some things.
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| Post 3 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 12:14 |
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Nest barely does anything for integration anyway. I really don’t see why so many are making a big deal about this.
The writing has been on the wall since the beginning. The tstat never allowed scheduling, the cameras and doorbell have never had integration with 3rd party systems
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| OP | Post 4 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 12:20 |
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On May 8, 2019 at 11:11, Hasbeen said...
Yep, got into a discussion about it yesterday.... Looks like they're creating their own ecosystem. Works with Nest goes dark on Aug. 31.
That being said, the platform is open to 3rd parties. So, I'd imagine that your favorite control system would still be able to work..Not sure if it will work on Sept. 1..or if you're favorite control system will have to rework some things. Yes it is an opened platform but from the article I referenced there are many security precautions that Google is making to ensure the end user is safe. From the article: Entry into the new ecosystem is not guaranteed however, although Google says the development process is simpler and easier than WWNs. When asked if anyone could be part of the Works with Google Assistant program, or if there might be specific categories exclusively for Nest and Google products (thermostats, security systems, and cameras for example), Soucie replied: “It depends on their integration. What I can say is if those categories or industries are dependent on Nest device data, then no, they can’t. We have to be more secure in who has access to that data and that's a promise and a commitment that we're making to our users.”
“It’s not a closed system,” he continued. “It's an open system, but the front door is through Works with Google Assistant. It’s about registering your devices, what its capabilities are. So I don't want to categorically start looking at each one and say this is excluded or included, but it's about making sure it meets our security and privacy standards.”
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| Post 5 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 15:02 |
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Given that the entire point of integration with an automation system is to access the device data, that statement isn't all that encouraging. Otherwise, it's just simple commands to the device.
And of course THEY will have access to the data, which is what Google is primarily about. So maybe they don't want anyone else to get any widespread access to the data they are collecting on you and making money from.
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| Post 6 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 15:26 |
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I read that as ...We're not going to accept apps into the system from every dev who wants to work on something....because we can't trust a random dev to do the right thing.
Hopefully for companies like C4, etc. This will work out in their favor. I guess we'll see soon enough.
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| Post 7 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 15:46 |
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I got the notice from Lutron. I'll post it if anyone needs to see it.
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| Post 8 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 15:50 |
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Apple's been all about Privacy.
Huawei is doing huge numbers in Asia, and a US proclaimed agent of their government.
Amazon's been getting bad press about 'voice review'
Google's got to at least say they're about protecting your data.
And reinforce for a possible competitor in the US.
And likely, preparing for new introductions to their eco-system.
Will integrators and companies like Control4 prosper from the centralization and kicking to the curb some of the current Works With Nest, let's hope so.
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| Post 9 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 16:04 |
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On May 8, 2019 at 15:26, Hasbeen said...
I read that as ...We're not going to accept apps into the system from every dev who wants to work on something....because we can't trust a random dev to do the right thing. But that really doesn't make a lot of practical sense. Any random developer might at most have his stuff running on a small number of systems. And, of those, mostly they will be DIYers who explicitly want to provide that access and who have control over the systems they use, and who often have the source code for the interface. Only a widely used, proprietary system installed by third parties could actually do any real damage. If it means we won't provide access to anyone except large companies, no matter how long they've been around and how well established, that would be bad.
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| Post 10 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 17:44 |
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I'd think they just want to be assured that whomever is in the program can secure the data properly, and that they can accomplish their goals without accessing all of the end users data.
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| Post 11 made on Wednesday May 8, 2019 at 17:55 |
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But automation systems typically only care about right now. They don't need to keep data around, they just need to see the current state of the state. They COULD store it, but most would only do that at the behest of the owner of that data in terms of some sort of historical analysis. They don't need access to any stored data from Nest/Google though, if that's the distinction being drawn.
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| Post 12 made on Saturday May 11, 2019 at 21:55 |
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On May 8, 2019 at 15:02, Dean Roddey said...
And of course THEY will have access to the data, which is what Google is primarily about. So maybe they don't want anyone else to get any widespread access to the data they are collecting on you and making money from. Nailed it!
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