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Recommeded motorized ball valve?
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Post 1 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 11:06
drewski300
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I know there is a bunch of different options but I'm wondering what you guys recommend to shutting off the main 3/4" water line coming in?

I was thinking about just using a traditional boiler zone valve but I'm not sure if that was an appropriate type of valve.
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Post 2 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 11:41
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On March 18, 2019 at 11:06, drewski300 said...
I know there is a bunch of different options but I'm wondering what you guys recommend to shutting off the main 3/4" water line coming in?

I was thinking about just using a traditional boiler zone valve but I'm not sure if that was an appropriate type of valve.

How are you controlling it?
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OP | Post 3 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 11:57
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On March 18, 2019 at 11:41, highfigh said...
How are you controlling it?

However I need to. LOL Haven't fully worked those details out yet.

It's for my cabin. I was originally going to tie Lutron into Nest to maintain a home/away mode. Our experience with Nest isn't great. Random notifications when they were set them to not send, having the place to switch over to the Home mode even though nobody switched it and we weren't in town. So I don't think we will rely on Nest to initiate Home/Away control.

We will either install a manual switch or a Lutron switch that will control a relay, transformer, or whatever we need to operate the valve.

Many would argue that if you lose power, you'll lose water. The place has a well pump so losing power means no water regardless. Plus with a boiler valve, you could manually open it. IDK
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Post 4 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 12:29
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On March 18, 2019 at 11:57, drewski300 said...
However I need to. LOL Haven't fully worked those details out yet.

It's for my cabin. I was originally going to tie Lutron into Nest to maintain a home/away mode. Our experience with Nest isn't great. Random notifications when they were set them to not send, having the place to switch over to the Home mode even though nobody switched it and we weren't in town. So I don't think we will rely on Nest to initiate Home/Away control.

We will either install a manual switch or a Lutron switch that will control a relay, transformer, or whatever we need to operate the valve.

Many would argue that if you lose power, you'll lose water. The place has a well pump so losing power means no water regardless. Plus with a boiler valve, you could manually open it. IDK

I don't remember the part we used but we did something similar and tied it to the security system and Crestron system. There was a bypass piped around the valve if for some reason it was stuck in the off position the home owner could manually switch it to on.

It's programmed so that if the floor water sensor in the basement goes into alarm that the valve will close ensuring new water isn't coming into the house. It is also a manual button on the Crestron system so when the Home Owners leave on vacation or elsewhere they can turn the water off without having to go into the mechanical room.
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Post 5 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 13:06
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Post 6 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 13:10
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We just brought on LeakSmart.. They make a snap-on valve for 3/4"-1" pipes and then cut in for 3/4"-2"

It is a self contained system and really cool. You don't have to use the leak sensors if you don't want to.

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Post 7 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 16:54
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I put in a FloodStop, they have different models, on my first floor washer after this woman my wife works with had their house, basically totally destroyed, last winter when a hose popped. It seemed like an ok option for me. There's a button on the controller to shut if off and on manually. It also has batteries so it will work without AC power.

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Post 8 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 17:31
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OP | Post 9 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 17:56
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On March 18, 2019 at 17:31, davidcasemore said...

Holy crap, $500 is pretty spendy. It does look industrial grade though.

On, SWOInstaller said...
I don't remember the part we used but we did something similar and tied it to the security system and Crestron system. There was a bypass piped around the valve if for some reason it was stuck in the off position the home owner could manually switch it to on.

I like the idea of a bypass. It would be simple for anyone to operate if something were to fail.
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Post 10 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 20:52
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on any of these, I would pipe around it with a valve on either side
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Post 11 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 20:53
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basically a bypass override
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Post 12 made on Monday March 18, 2019 at 23:46
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On March 18, 2019 at 17:31, davidcasemore said...

+1

With water control though, make sure your control system is rock solid on it. Nothing pisses a client off like being shampooed up in the shower and the water shut off.
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Post 13 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 01:10
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On March 18, 2019 at 23:46, Fins said...
+1

With water control though, make sure your control system is rock solid on it. Nothing pisses a client off like being shampooed up in the shower and the water shut off.

That is why something like the LeakSmart is a better route to go. You get integration with the control system but it is its own system.
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Post 14 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 11:20
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On March 19, 2019 at 01:10, BlackWire Designs said...
That is why something like the LeakSmart is a better route to go. You get integration with the control system but it is its own system.

Except I don’t see where it integrates with Elan. So it does me no good.
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Post 15 made on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 12:04
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