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WIFI with no wires in the house
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Post 16 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 11:30
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Doesnt google have a mesh networking solution? If your not going to retro, stick with what they have and like.

I would also give them an outrageous quote to retro wire in and let them decline. Then when they get sick and tired of the google mesh and bitch at you for it, respond with your original quote and the builders name and phone #.
OP | Post 17 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 12:34
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Thanks for the input. I understand and agree with most of it. The builder is relatively new and is definitely in the "everything is wireless these days" camp. Fortunately he wants us to involved with his next home from the beginning and seems to genuinely want our input. For this one, it is what it is and we have to make due. As mentioned, this will be T&M and I will warn the client about potential performance and reliability issues. This is also a temporary home for the client while he looks for lake property and builds his own place from scratch. For this reason I don't want to walk. Client is a pretty heavy hitter in the finance industry and could certainly afford a full wired retro-fit, but since this is a temp home I don't want to tear the place apart if possible.
Post 18 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 13:08
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Conundrum. Have some down time from the other gig?
Eero and Rukus Unleashed Mesh would be the two main to look at.
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OP | Post 19 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 15:23
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On January 10, 2019 at 13:08, GotGame said...
Conundrum. Have some down time from the other gig?
Eero and Rukus Unleashed Mesh would be the two main to look at.

Thanks GG. We install Rukus with Pakedge on higher end projects. This may be the most robust option. I didn't realize they offered a full wireless mesh solution like Eero or Google Home
Post 20 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 15:36
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On January 9, 2019 at 22:46, Ernie Gilman said...
We don't know what the builder represented. I agree with you except for that.

In fact, is it fraud if the builder honestly believes this is exactly what is needed? Doesn't fraud have to have intent behind it?

I’d call it fraud in someone this ignorant representing themselves as a GC.
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Post 21 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 15:38
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On January 10, 2019 at 12:34, Conundrum said...
Thanks for the input. I understand and agree with most of it. The builder is relatively new and is definitely in the "everything is wireless these days" camp. Fortunately he wants us to involved with his next home from the beginning and seems to genuinely want our input. For this one, it is what it is and we have to make due. As mentioned, this will be T&M and I will warn the client about potential performance and reliability issues. This is also a temporary home for the client while he looks for lake property and builds his own place from scratch. For this reason I don't want to walk. Client is a pretty heavy hitter in the finance industry and could certainly afford a full wired retro-fit, but since this is a temp home I don't want to tear the place apart if possible.

Be careful educating this builder too much. It just feels like he’s the type that will use you to tell him how to do it then screw you over
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Post 22 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 16:35
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You need to have a conversation with the client about why they need to have wire pulled. 6500 sqft...3 levels...wireless? I would be afraid to live in that house. He probably also forgot to nail down the plywood on the roof.
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Post 23 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 20:23
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The dangling of the carrot (future project) is always a good one. Best of luck whichever way you go.
Post 24 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 21:22
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On January 10, 2019 at 16:35, Mac Burks (39) said...
You need to have a conversation with the client about why they need to have wire pulled. 6500 sqft...3 levels...wireless?

Eero or Ruckus mesh can work very well, so that part doesn’t scare me.

For cable or DirecTV - wireless clients?? No way, José!
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Post 25 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 21:55
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Wi-Fi internet isn't what i was referring to. I was talking about having every device in the house rely on it. Roku/DirecTV/


"Ring Doorbell
4Nest thermostats
Client wants to add AppleTV
Looking to use Directv Genie with wireless clients.
Possible Sonos or Control4 for streaming distributed audio."

Plus ipads phones laptops remote controls xboxes/ps4's refrigerators and ovens...

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Post 26 made on Thursday January 10, 2019 at 23:44
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On January 10, 2019 at 15:38, Fins said...
Be careful educating this builder too much. It just feels like he’s the type that will use you to tell him how to do it then screw you over

I had a couple jobs with a contractor who was doing this. He had a finish carpenter who thought that he knew everything. I have no idea how his houses passed inspections. I hope that I gave him enough info such that he never calls again. Good luck to his victims.
Post 27 made on Friday January 11, 2019 at 10:08
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On January 10, 2019 at 23:44, buzz said...
I had a couple jobs with a contractor who was doing this. He had a finish carpenter who thought that he knew everything. I have no idea how his houses passed inspections. I hope that I gave him enough info such that he never calls again. Good luck to his victims.

It is funny how this stuff seems so elementary to us but I guess it really is rocket science.

I have had more than a few builders do this to me. I will work with them on a few homes, then not hear from them for a year or more. Then get a call to look at a house (one I know they built) I see very clearly where the electrician tried to duplicate what I had done on previous homes. Only it is all screwed up.
Looking at it from the electrician's point of view, it REALLY should not be difficult to at least get it mostly right - especially if you have several examples of someone's work to copy. My only conclusion is the same as I always come up with for the electricians in my area... they are a bunch of f^n idiots!

And I never have a problem rubbing it in the builder's face when they screw someone's home up. Because at this point, they f^n know better. There is no way they can not know better. They choose to be slimeballs and shysters! And pretend to be ignorant of technology when they get caught on it.
You are all fools who fall for that BS line. THEY KNOW BETTER!

"Gee, why didn't you get the landscape guy to wire the home, I bet it would have been even cheaper and came out the same!" But I don't want to give them anymore ideas.
Post 28 made on Friday January 11, 2019 at 10:22
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I usually tell people that when all of the devices are connected to one wireless router or access pint, it's like a parent or teacher trying to pay attention to what that number of yelling kids are saying and answering them correctly in a short time but if more access points are used, it spreads the tasks to more parents/teachers. I also explain that the WiFi speed from an ISP isn't guaranteed, so if they want fast, it needs to be hard-wired. I installed three EERO (with the first one acting as the router) at one place where they have some Roku TVs and sticks, Nest cameras, a Nest thermostat and Nest smokes. They all use Apple phones, iPads and computers. I have yet to see a problem with the speed or receive a trouble call at that house. I installed another in a large two story condo and the first speed test with my iPhone 6 showed 350 Mbps, with WiFi. Wired, it shows 480Mbps, even though they're paying for 400 Mbps.

I'm done arguing with people about whether WiFi can handle everything- it can't, unless some really expensive equipment is used.

I got a call from a customer who complained that the WiFi wasn't working well, if at all. I didn't install or provide any of the wireless hardware, or the router. Her husband has since replaced the router, moved the D-Link POS that had been in the master BR to the pool house and replaced it with a TP-Link AP. Then, he bought a Ubiquity AP but couldn't set it up until I told him that he needed to download the software. He said that he thinks a mouse chewed the cable in the bedroom wall and that's why it's not working. EVERY room has ethernet jacks going to a switch, which connects to the router, which is in the office. I did a speed test with the Ubiquity- it connects to Ookla or any other site I go to, but not from a great distance. I asked about the security setting and he wasn't sure if he set it to AES or TKIP. I'm willing to bet that if all of the wireless APs are disconnected, the WiFi will work.
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Post 29 made on Friday January 11, 2019 at 10:49
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I typically don’t have much to offer due to the fact that most of you do installs worth more then the houses I work in however in this situation I could offer some tips.

Mesh networking with dedicated backhaul radio can work, the key is to make sure the backhaul capacity is as good as the demand on the “ap”. Choosing a mesh kit without dedicated backhaul is pointless given the demand that the homeowner is going to put on the system.

The more devices connected increases the “ap’s” required, this would be where your more expensive 3x3 Mimo etc radios shine as they can reduce the load on the “ap” requiring less given that you can still maintain coverage on your building size.

Now for what’s causing the real headache, cabling. Unless the client is aware of wifi that runs on batteries some cabling will be required. Obviously one needs to be hardwired, keep your wireless backhaul hops to one. Meaning don’t have the first one hardwired and then the third hopping to the second and the second hopping to the first.

I have never tried this but maybe some of the others have, would using Ethernet over powerline work for connecting the ap’s back to the router? If it would maybe this would open more options for ap placement. 3 stories and 6500 square feet has a few different possibilities for house shape etc so I can’t even comment on how many “ap’s” your going to need.

I worked as a Technical Assistant to the CEO of a wireless internet provider for a few years and following these principles avoids trouble.
Post 30 made on Friday January 11, 2019 at 11:00
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On January 11, 2019 at 10:08, Brad Humphrey said...
... I will work with them on a few homes, then not hear from them for a year or more ... .

Yea, “can you swap ends on an HDMI cable for me?”. (Source and sink are backwards.) It’s hard to hide one’s glee.
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