Another thing I noticed about timers, ones that I create usually won't work till the following day. That repeats every time I change something in PPENG and do a download. No timers fire till the next day. Very irritating! Also, I created a Timers page and made macro command buttons in PPENG for that page. That way, instead of adding all the macro commands on the remote I just map the timer to the button and set the firing time. I'll sure be a happy boy if they ever go back to the way things were with the 2000 as far as timers go.