Daniel, Found it, thanks! Discovered this GREAT site 10/9 searching for info on the 8 in 1 from Smarthome.com and decided that I will save some money for now and go with the Cinema 6 or 7. Been using the remote from my Sony 825 but found that flip door to be annoying and have problems with the surf/select from the GUIDE of my Sony A4. For $20 I will try the Cinema model. Also, it just loves the taste of batteries! Thanks again.